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Native apps have UI elements that have tremendous research behind it by operating system vendors with deep pockets: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-int

Native apps have UI elements that have tremendous research behind it by operating system vendors with deep pockets: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/overview/themes/ https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline... Whereas, a UI framework such as Bulma is spun up by a bunch of people who are not as well funded: https://bulma.io/ https://bulma.io/

untog 6y ago
Counterpoint: Google's Material Design framework has tremendous research behind it, and has a variety of both native and web implementations. The broader point is the one I already made: this isn't new. None of this is. Going over the same points every time there's any post about Electron is pretty tiresome.
- stonogo 6y ago
  Problems do not stop being problems merely because you tire of hearing about them.
  - untog 6y ago
    ...when did I suggest they did? Come on. What I'm saying is that it is not possible to have a conversation about the release of version 9 of Electron on this site. So far the thread has proved me right.
  - orange8 6y ago
    The "electron is too slow" problem is really just a mask for the real "electron is eating into our desktop app market" problem. Or to put it another way FUD.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      I assure you "Electron is slow" is not FUD. Electron is slow and has been measured to be slow many, many times. Perhaps "Electron is eating into our desktop app market" is a problem, but it is also possible that the real complaint is that "something slow is eating into the desktop app market".
      - tamarind8 6y ago
        The fact that an app built with electron may be fractions of a second slower than one built using native tech, does not change the fact that most of the people who keep on harping about this whenever electron is discussed are native app developers spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt about a competing tech stack. And it is a big threat because it makes creating desktop apps accessible to millions more developers, and therefore cheaper and faster from a business point of view. So what is essentially an economic problem pretending to be a technical one. I moved from Notepad++ (screaming fast) to VS Code, and those micro-second differences in speed do not matter at all.
- jbverschoor 6y ago
  Why do you think so? I think md os’sa lot of fundamental flaws, and is actually really bad for UX’
hombre_fatal 6y ago
How is this relevant to the thread? And despite all that, Apple's own apps (like Music.app) have very unintuitive UX easily beat by 3rd party developers. Native apps also are privacy nightmares and don't have uBlock nor a network tab. Let's not rehash this every damn time.
- fermienrico 6y ago
  I agree, Music.app sucks so bad, it is horrendous.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Your complaints aren't relevant either, though: Music.app is terrible because it doesn't follow the guidelines, and Electron apps are no better than native apps from a privacy angle.
soledades 6y ago
Yet MacOS didn't offer a dark mode until last year...
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Native apps have UI elements that have tremendous research behind it by operating system vendors with deep pockets Yeah, and web UI design languages and the frameworks implementing them like Material Design and Fluent UI have neither research nor deep-pockets vendors behind them.
paxys 6y ago
You can throw as much money as you want at a problem, but that won't save you from ending up with something like Windows 8 UWP apps.

untog 6y ago

Counterpoint: Google's Material Design framework has tremendous research behind it, and has a variety of both native and web implementations. The broader point is the one I already made: this isn't new. None of this is. Going over the same points every time there's any post about Electron is pretty tiresome.

stonogo 6y ago
Problems do not stop being problems merely because you tire of hearing about them.
- untog 6y ago
  ...when did I suggest they did? Come on. What I'm saying is that it is not possible to have a conversation about the release of version 9 of Electron on this site. So far the thread has proved me right.
- orange8 6y ago
  The "electron is too slow" problem is really just a mask for the real "electron is eating into our desktop app market" problem. Or to put it another way FUD.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    I assure you "Electron is slow" is not FUD. Electron is slow and has been measured to be slow many, many times. Perhaps "Electron is eating into our desktop app market" is a problem, but it is also possible that the real complaint is that "something slow is eating into the desktop app market".
    - tamarind8 6y ago
      The fact that an app built with electron may be fractions of a second slower than one built using native tech, does not change the fact that most of the people who keep on harping about this whenever electron is discussed are native app developers spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt about a competing tech stack. And it is a big threat because it makes creating desktop apps accessible to millions more developers, and therefore cheaper and faster from a business point of view. So what is essentially an economic problem pretending to be a technical one. I moved from Notepad++ (screaming fast) to VS Code, and those micro-second differences in speed do not matter at all.
jbverschoor 6y ago
Why do you think so? I think md os’sa lot of fundamental flaws, and is actually really bad for UX’

hombre_fatal 6y ago

How is this relevant to the thread? And despite all that, Apple's own apps (like Music.app) have very unintuitive UX easily beat by 3rd party developers. Native apps also are privacy nightmares and don't have uBlock nor a network tab. Let's not rehash this every damn time.

fermienrico 6y ago
I agree, Music.app sucks so bad, it is horrendous.
saagarjha 6y ago
Your complaints aren't relevant either, though: Music.app is terrible because it doesn't follow the guidelines, and Electron apps are no better than native apps from a privacy angle.

soledades 6y ago

Yet MacOS didn't offer a dark mode until last year...

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Native apps have UI elements that have tremendous research behind it by operating system vendors with deep pockets Yeah, and web UI design languages and the frameworks implementing them like Material Design and Fluent UI have neither research nor deep-pockets vendors behind them.

paxys 6y ago

You can throw as much money as you want at a problem, but that won't save you from ending up with something like Windows 8 UWP apps.