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Great. This seems like a good place to wrap up then. I think we can both conclude that automated censorship systems will fail because they fail to capture "co
by rukittenme 6y ago
Great. This seems like a good place to wrap up then.
I think we can both conclude that automated censorship systems will fail because they fail to capture "context clues, human judgement, imperfection, inaccuracy".
And, I think you'll agree, proactive censorship systems are authoritarian by default (even if that authority is private). Their purpose is prevention not resolution. In that sense, there can be no trial, no jury, no judge, not even a plaintiff to accuse you.
So we move on from the corporate world and enter the legal world. The world of government. How best to determine and punish hate speech? Does intent matter if the offense was deep and damaging? Do you jail the author? Fine them? Destroy their works? I think no matter which path you choose you can draw comparisons to every totalitarian government that has ever graced this earth.
If I am nothing else I am a humanist. I believe in the progress of humanity -- all humanity. You, your friends, and the white supremacists who post pepe memes to scare and annoy them.
Time is long. Systems that we put in place now will be with us for generations. Society's attitudes will shift -- for better or worse. The only thing protecting us from each other are the systems we agree to. The systems that permit the most freedom at the least harm.
In my mind, there is no censorship device that can withstand time.
That's all I have to say. Best of luck to you.
- joshuamorton 6y agoThe system only fails if it doesn't do what it intends to do. If the system reduces harm in the long run, even if it is imperfect, it may be successful. I believe humanity will progress faster if we're able to prevent certain classes of ideology from continuing to cause harm. I never said anything about the government. We've been engaged in a discussion about YouTube comments, I'm not sure when the government got involved.