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Wouldn't surprise me - I've read some stuff on card counters and seen a few videos, seems like there's a whole other side of successful card counting beyond the

Wouldn't surprise me - I've read some stuff on card counters and seen a few videos, seems like there's a whole other side of successful card counting beyond the technical skill where you have to read out the social situation, since any pit boss worth their salt will be able to spot a card counter a mile away. Which I'm guessing Carmack didn't really care to do since he was just on an intellectual kick.

gowld 6y ago
What social situation?
- Raidion 6y ago
  You need to leave before the pitt boss makes you leave.
  - CydeWeys 6y ago
    More like you need to leave before they notice you and make the decision to ban you (once they make that decision it doesn't matter if you've left already or not; you ain't coming back either way).
Raidion 6y ago
Good card counters are always a team, you can't go far solo as it's pretty easy to tell when you're betting 20 dollars one hand, and 500 another. You usually have a few smaller players just playing fixed bets who call over some higher roller that will do the big betting when the count is high, and then just leave when the count gets low. Rumor has it that the security cameras now have software that will tally the count automatically, and flag people that play when the count is up. Coupled with player identification (facial recognition/player rewards cards) and correlating player times, casinos are starting to automate this. All rumor, of course, but sounds plausible if you're willing to throw a few million at the problem.
- ChuckMcM 6y ago
  Can confirm that the facial recognition cameras and correlating faces to blackjack play is not rumor. To abuse a joke, "There are more cameras in a casino than in a East Village camera close out store." :-) Back in 2005 I was approached by one of the casino groups that was looking for a director of technology to manage the team that did "camera analytics". Seemed like a pretty neat job technically.
  - wjnc 6y ago
    So just go to Europe? Pretty sure the GDPR prevents these kind of recognitions. So I looked up the privacy policy of Holland Casinos and there is no mention of facial recognition, only mention of CCTV for security purposes (under which I wouldn't expect prevention of adverse losses to fall) and a seven day storage period of camera footage. They are not explicit but suggest they do not use camera data for profiling purposes.
    - ChuckMcM 6y ago
      It would be an interesting test case
    - Steve0 6y ago
      Here is a policy of a London casino explaining their facial recognition to be compliant with the gdpr. I suppose this was written pre-brexit. https://www.hippodromecasino.com/facial-recognition-policy/ https://www.hippodromecasino.com/facial-recognition-policy/

gowld 6y ago

What social situation?

Raidion 6y ago
You need to leave before the pitt boss makes you leave.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  More like you need to leave before they notice you and make the decision to ban you (once they make that decision it doesn't matter if you've left already or not; you ain't coming back either way).

Raidion 6y ago

Good card counters are always a team, you can't go far solo as it's pretty easy to tell when you're betting 20 dollars one hand, and 500 another. You usually have a few smaller players just playing fixed bets who call over some higher roller that will do the big betting when the count is high, and then just leave when the count gets low. Rumor has it that the security cameras now have software that will tally the count automatically, and flag people that play when the count is up. Coupled with player identification (facial recognition/player rewards cards) and correlating player times, casinos are starting to automate this. All rumor, of course, but sounds plausible if you're willing to throw a few million at the problem.

ChuckMcM 6y ago
Can confirm that the facial recognition cameras and correlating faces to blackjack play is not rumor. To abuse a joke, "There are more cameras in a casino than in a East Village camera close out store." :-) Back in 2005 I was approached by one of the casino groups that was looking for a director of technology to manage the team that did "camera analytics". Seemed like a pretty neat job technically.
- wjnc 6y ago
  So just go to Europe? Pretty sure the GDPR prevents these kind of recognitions. So I looked up the privacy policy of Holland Casinos and there is no mention of facial recognition, only mention of CCTV for security purposes (under which I wouldn't expect prevention of adverse losses to fall) and a seven day storage period of camera footage. They are not explicit but suggest they do not use camera data for profiling purposes.
  - ChuckMcM 6y ago
    It would be an interesting test case
  - Steve0 6y ago
    Here is a policy of a London casino explaining their facial recognition to be compliant with the gdpr. I suppose this was written pre-brexit. https://www.hippodromecasino.com/facial-recognition-policy/ https://www.hippodromecasino.com/facial-recognition-policy/