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My favorite developer contributing to my favorite operating system! This is like Christmas. I’ve been contributing $ to OpenBSD since 3.x release days, and read

by jquast 6y ago

My favorite developer contributing to my favorite operating system! This is like Christmas. I’ve been contributing $ to OpenBSD since 3.x release days, and reading John carmack’s “.plan” file since Doom 2, when they ran digital Unix! Did you know: you have John Carmack to thank for first porting X11 to OSX? Thank you John!!

rvz 6y ago
> My favorite developer contributing to my favorite operating system! This is like Christmas. What? Calm yourself man. No need to get too excited over the past.
dylanz 6y ago
I share your excitement! I've never contributed to OpenBSD but have been running and following the distro for ages. I have a few mugs and t-shirts and support when I can. I'm hoping this may bring some fans of his over to the distro who wouldn't have run into (or contributed to) it before.
- jquast 6y ago
  I tried many source contributions to OPENBSD when I was in school, but only one was accepted—-to fix a “house purchase overflow bug” in the command-line monopoly game from the BSD games collection, lol :) I stopped hacking on it some years ago, but always contribute $$ when I’m well employed (currently not, sigh) I’ve yet to work at a $JOB with anyone else who wishes to use OpenBSD, even in the places it is most appropriate, my most recent employer had someone under qualified as the devops lead so we had to use pfSense, an endless source of frustration of issues that couldn’t be addressed, but that I knew exactly how to address with OpenBSD, but, such is life. The most experienced people seem to have the least control, a common complaint in all industries, I’m sure. I always encourage everyone to use many different Unix’s, it provides a much deeper understanding of everything you use, even if you end up only using Linux, anyway, it provides a much better perspective of what a distribution is and how to select the correct one even if you end up being forced into Linux anyway. But just like how I always end up using python and JavaScript and Ubuntu Linux everywhere —- unless you’re in charge, it’s much like school, the whole team has to succumb to the lowest common denominator, the lowest also often being the boss or lead, who does very little hands-on work but feels making decisions of which Linux and which Language to use is their best contributing factor, lol
  - gonzo 6y ago
    > my most recent employer had someone under qualified as the devops lead so we had to use pfSense, an endless source of frustration of issues that couldn’t be addressed, but that I knew exactly how to address with OpenBSD [...] I, for one, think your employer and the “DevOps lead” were advocating for using the wrong technology. pfSense software is many things, to many people, but if it’s not written for a DevOps environment. And you can tell your ex-employer that i said so. /s
    - jquast 6y ago
      It was for managing multi-site WAN, P2P radio, satellite, VPN links and VPN endpoints for employees. I can’t help that IT Infrastructure departments are erroneously adopting the term “devops” for themselves :( Anyway best wishes Jim, shucks I ordered the first and second gen PcEngines and Winston CM11a radios from netgate.com long ago, and many since, thank you for running a proper store!
yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
> Did you know: you have John Carmack to thank for first porting X11 to OSX? Thank you John!! Is there anything written about the background to this? Wikipedia doesn't talk about him ever working for Apple (although maybe that's just not mentioned).
- larrydag 6y ago
  OSX roots are in BSD https://www.wired.com/2013/08/jordan-hubbard/ https://www.wired.com/2013/08/jordan-hubbard/
  - jaquers 6y ago
    Also id ran software on NeXTSTEP, itself a precursor of OSX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP#Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP#Legacy
    - deckard1 6y ago
      yep, was going to say that this is probably the real source behind the mystery. Early OS X is basically NeXT when Jobs came back to Apple. Doom was developed on NeXT, so id Software and Carmack already had a history of using BSD. They also released Quake for Linux around 1996, which may have used X11 (I cannot recall, maybe it just depended on 3dfx/nvidia without X11 at the time... it's been so long)
      - bluedino 6y ago
        The original quake on Linux used svgalib and was done by Dave Taylor and GAlexand (EFnet #c??)
      - asveikau 6y ago
        There are writings floating around from Carmack that he was playing around with the OS X prototypes back when it was called Rhapsody in the late 90s. I also thought I read somewhere that Carmack persuaded Apple to bet big on OpenGL for OS X. (Ironic now that it's deprecated.)
f2f 6y ago
not only contributing! https://github.com/bob-beck/foundation-web/commit/a005fbc9e4a6f44394f1525fdf705a2fe3c81eb1 https://github.com/bob-beck/foundation-web/commit/a005fbc9e4...

by jquast 6y ago

rvz 6y ago

> My favorite developer contributing to my favorite operating system! This is like Christmas. What? Calm yourself man. No need to get too excited over the past.

dylanz 6y ago

I share your excitement! I've never contributed to OpenBSD but have been running and following the distro for ages. I have a few mugs and t-shirts and support when I can. I'm hoping this may bring some fans of his over to the distro who wouldn't have run into (or contributed to) it before.

jquast 6y ago
I tried many source contributions to OPENBSD when I was in school, but only one was accepted—-to fix a “house purchase overflow bug” in the command-line monopoly game from the BSD games collection, lol :) I stopped hacking on it some years ago, but always contribute $$ when I’m well employed (currently not, sigh) I’ve yet to work at a $JOB with anyone else who wishes to use OpenBSD, even in the places it is most appropriate, my most recent employer had someone under qualified as the devops lead so we had to use pfSense, an endless source of frustration of issues that couldn’t be addressed, but that I knew exactly how to address with OpenBSD, but, such is life. The most experienced people seem to have the least control, a common complaint in all industries, I’m sure. I always encourage everyone to use many different Unix’s, it provides a much deeper understanding of everything you use, even if you end up only using Linux, anyway, it provides a much better perspective of what a distribution is and how to select the correct one even if you end up being forced into Linux anyway. But just like how I always end up using python and JavaScript and Ubuntu Linux everywhere —- unless you’re in charge, it’s much like school, the whole team has to succumb to the lowest common denominator, the lowest also often being the boss or lead, who does very little hands-on work but feels making decisions of which Linux and which Language to use is their best contributing factor, lol
- gonzo 6y ago
  > my most recent employer had someone under qualified as the devops lead so we had to use pfSense, an endless source of frustration of issues that couldn’t be addressed, but that I knew exactly how to address with OpenBSD [...] I, for one, think your employer and the “DevOps lead” were advocating for using the wrong technology. pfSense software is many things, to many people, but if it’s not written for a DevOps environment. And you can tell your ex-employer that i said so. /s
  - jquast 6y ago
    It was for managing multi-site WAN, P2P radio, satellite, VPN links and VPN endpoints for employees. I can’t help that IT Infrastructure departments are erroneously adopting the term “devops” for themselves :( Anyway best wishes Jim, shucks I ordered the first and second gen PcEngines and Winston CM11a radios from netgate.com long ago, and many since, thank you for running a proper store!

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago

> Did you know: you have John Carmack to thank for first porting X11 to OSX? Thank you John!! Is there anything written about the background to this? Wikipedia doesn't talk about him ever working for Apple (although maybe that's just not mentioned).

larrydag 6y ago
OSX roots are in BSD https://www.wired.com/2013/08/jordan-hubbard/ https://www.wired.com/2013/08/jordan-hubbard/
- jaquers 6y ago
  Also id ran software on NeXTSTEP, itself a precursor of OSX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP#Legacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP#Legacy
  - deckard1 6y ago
    yep, was going to say that this is probably the real source behind the mystery. Early OS X is basically NeXT when Jobs came back to Apple. Doom was developed on NeXT, so id Software and Carmack already had a history of using BSD. They also released Quake for Linux around 1996, which may have used X11 (I cannot recall, maybe it just depended on 3dfx/nvidia without X11 at the time... it's been so long)
    - bluedino 6y ago
      The original quake on Linux used svgalib and was done by Dave Taylor and GAlexand (EFnet #c??)
    - asveikau 6y ago
      There are writings floating around from Carmack that he was playing around with the OS X prototypes back when it was called Rhapsody in the late 90s. I also thought I read somewhere that Carmack persuaded Apple to bet big on OpenGL for OS X. (Ironic now that it's deprecated.)

f2f 6y ago

not only contributing! https://github.com/bob-beck/foundation-web/commit/a005fbc9e4a6f44394f1525fdf705a2fe3c81eb1 https://github.com/bob-beck/foundation-web/commit/a005fbc9e4...