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That would be ChromeOS tablets. Full linux terminal in container and all. Hasn't really made any difference.

toohotatopic 6y ago
>Android 10 Is killing Termux terminal app Remember who owns Android. It's not worth investing time into a platform that will be further restricted sooner or later. Why should they treat the tablet differently?
- ta17711771 6y ago
  Yes, but who owns AOSP?
Legogris 6y ago
Also Microsoft Surface.
- barbecue_sauce 6y ago
  Aren't Surfaces just Windows laptops?
  - jbay808 6y ago
    Aren't tablets just laptops without keyboards?
    - mkl 6y ago
      And Surface Pro keyboards are bought separately.
      - ta17711771 6y ago
        Surface Pro 1-3 w/ keyboard is $120-$200 on eBay...
  - tenebrisalietum 6y ago
    With touchscreens and Microsoft branded/built UEFI. Except the RT - that was an ARM tablet.
- neogodless 6y ago
  For clarification... Surface Pro - full Windows tablet with separate keyboard Surface Laptop - normal Windows laptop Surface Book - Windows laptop with beefy detachable keyboard/battery (may have dGPU!) Surface Pro X - (almost full) Windows tablet on ARM Surface RT - Ran Windows RT (no desktop x86) on ARM Surface Studio - Windows All-in-one PC with very nice big screen
  - jefftk 6y ago
    And even earlier: Surface - interactive table (now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense)
AsyncAwait 6y ago
As a Linux user, the last thing I want to do is use a computer controlled by Google. I am however typing this on a Mirosoft Surface Pro 7 running Linux.
MereInterest 6y ago
About once every 2-3 months, something would be changed in ChromeOS that would break the crouton installation. The solution could be as simple as updating crouton, only 15-30 minutes of lost time, to switching to/from a later development version of ChromeOS, 3-4 hours of lost time as the entire hard drive is wiped and you need to rebuild the environment. The use of a Linux environment in ChromeOS should only be viewed as a toy, because the ChromeOS developers are willing to break it at any time.
- hsitz 6y ago
  I'm not sure what you're talking about. Crouton is different from Crostini, and it's Crostini that is the default/built-in Linux container on Chromeos (on a Pixelbook). I've been using Crostini on Chromeos since November 2018 and I've never had "the hard drive wiped" or had to rebuild the environment. I'm trying hard to recall anything that's actually been a bug. I'm sure there've been some. Mostly they've been rolling out increased features on a pretty regular basis, with few hiccups. It's not a great solution for everything, but, to me, it's been surprisingly robust and useful. It certainly is not "a toy". The Pixelbook is a beautiful piece of hardware, but I wouldn't be using it (at least not as a contented Chromeos user) if it didn't have the built-in Linux container. I do follow Chromeos/Crostini/Pixelbook forums somewhat online. I know I've seen some people griping about problems caused by updates. From what I can tell, a very large percent of these people are ones who were using Chromeos/Crostini with the 'dev' or 'beta' branch, so they could get new features on their device sooner. I've been on 'Stable' and have had few complaints.
  - MereInterest 6y ago
    Looks like Crostini is the official tool that duplicated the functionality of the the more homebrew Crouton. Crostini came out in early 2018, which was about half a year after I gave up on using linux on chromebooks out of frustration. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/containers_and_vms.md#How-is-Crostini-related-to-Crouton https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/c...
  - michaelmrose 6y ago

>Android 10 Is killing Termux terminal app Remember who owns Android. It's not worth investing time into a platform that will be further restricted sooner or later. Why should they treat the tablet differently?

ta17711771 6y ago
Yes, but who owns AOSP?

Legogris 6y ago

Also Microsoft Surface.

barbecue_sauce 6y ago
Aren't Surfaces just Windows laptops?
- jbay808 6y ago
  Aren't tablets just laptops without keyboards?
  - mkl 6y ago
    And Surface Pro keyboards are bought separately.
    - ta17711771 6y ago
      Surface Pro 1-3 w/ keyboard is $120-$200 on eBay...
- tenebrisalietum 6y ago
  With touchscreens and Microsoft branded/built UEFI. Except the RT - that was an ARM tablet.
neogodless 6y ago
For clarification... Surface Pro - full Windows tablet with separate keyboard Surface Laptop - normal Windows laptop Surface Book - Windows laptop with beefy detachable keyboard/battery (may have dGPU!) Surface Pro X - (almost full) Windows tablet on ARM Surface RT - Ran Windows RT (no desktop x86) on ARM Surface Studio - Windows All-in-one PC with very nice big screen
- jefftk 6y ago
  And even earlier: Surface - interactive table (now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense)

AsyncAwait 6y ago

As a Linux user, the last thing I want to do is use a computer controlled by Google. I am however typing this on a Mirosoft Surface Pro 7 running Linux.

MereInterest 6y ago

About once every 2-3 months, something would be changed in ChromeOS that would break the crouton installation. The solution could be as simple as updating crouton, only 15-30 minutes of lost time, to switching to/from a later development version of ChromeOS, 3-4 hours of lost time as the entire hard drive is wiped and you need to rebuild the environment. The use of a Linux environment in ChromeOS should only be viewed as a toy, because the ChromeOS developers are willing to break it at any time.

hsitz 6y ago
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Crouton is different from Crostini, and it's Crostini that is the default/built-in Linux container on Chromeos (on a Pixelbook). I've been using Crostini on Chromeos since November 2018 and I've never had "the hard drive wiped" or had to rebuild the environment. I'm trying hard to recall anything that's actually been a bug. I'm sure there've been some. Mostly they've been rolling out increased features on a pretty regular basis, with few hiccups. It's not a great solution for everything, but, to me, it's been surprisingly robust and useful. It certainly is not "a toy". The Pixelbook is a beautiful piece of hardware, but I wouldn't be using it (at least not as a contented Chromeos user) if it didn't have the built-in Linux container. I do follow Chromeos/Crostini/Pixelbook forums somewhat online. I know I've seen some people griping about problems caused by updates. From what I can tell, a very large percent of these people are ones who were using Chromeos/Crostini with the 'dev' or 'beta' branch, so they could get new features on their device sooner. I've been on 'Stable' and have had few complaints.
- MereInterest 6y ago
  Looks like Crostini is the official tool that duplicated the functionality of the the more homebrew Crouton. Crostini came out in early 2018, which was about half a year after I gave up on using linux on chromebooks out of frustration. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/containers_and_vms.md#How-is-Crostini-related-to-Crouton https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/c...
- michaelmrose 6y ago