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You're missing a couple KEY points that we NEED. We NEED contact tracing so we can dynamically quarantine. We NEED enforcement of the new rules(6ft, masks) be

• falcolas 6y ago
  We also need testing to know when people are actually healthy, and not healthy-looking.
  • blhack 6y ago
    Where are you that testing is still a problem? At least here in AZ there is no wait to get any sort of test, and actually doctors are now just including them in the standard blood panels they do.
    • travisporter 6y ago
      I still can’t buy a thermometer online.
      • blhack 6y ago
        Here: https://wyze.com/thermometer.html https://wyze.com/thermometer.html I have one of these and have sanity checked it against another mouth thermometer I have from CVS and the readings agree with one another. (There have been reports of Chinese-made thermometers lying about their readings) Looks like there are also a bunch on amazon that will arrive to me anywhere between two days from now and a week from now.
    • ogn3rd 6y ago
      |At least here in AZ there is no wait to get any sort of test False. People in AZ are waiting in their cars for hours to get tested.
      • blhack 6y ago
        Haha okay fair point. You do also have to “wait” in the office after you check into for a teeth cleaning, or “wait” after ordering your food at McDonald’s. That shouldn’t be used to indicate that these things are unavailable. Also YMMV. I did not have to wait at all for my test. I made an appointment at sonoraquest labs (which I believe is part of lab corps) and I was the only person there at my slot other than the staff. I did have to “wait” in the sense that I scheduled my appointment for the next day after calling them.
    • giantrobot 6y ago
      Can they test every employee at the start of work and every patron of every business. Can they do that in a fashion where those awaiting results are isolated such that they can't infect others if they are sick? Are people physically distancing themselves and properly wearing masks? If the answer is no to any of those questions then there's not enough testing to help prevent the spread of disease. Seeing there's no meaningful herd immunity to the virus and no vaccine available if there's no controls on infections the hospitalization rate of the virus will overwhelm hospitals. The reason for shutdown orders is to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. COVID-19 is really infectious and has a high hospitalization rate. These two factors combined can very quickly cause ICU resources to hit capacity. Once that happens people die at even higher rates than otherwise. A lot of people in Italy died because ICU resources hit capacity. You can test a million people today but unless all of those people are quarantined from the rest of the population you'll need to test them again tomorrow as they may have become infected in the meantime. Even if COVID-19's mortality and hospitalization rate was low it's still a serious illness and mass infections would still shut businesses down. A majority of causes people are down for weeks with the disease. They're not going to be able to work so if you have a cluster at a meat packing plant it'll still be effectively shut down.
    • thomaslord 6y ago
      It's a major problem nationally in the US, and we've been lied to constantly about timelines on testing. Even if everybody on AZ who fits the current testing criteria can get a test, to be able to reopen safely we need to test lots of people who don't fit the current testing criteria. Wider testing criteria means more testing capacity required, which is an issue because we don't have that extra capacity and won't any time soon.
  • zeku 6y ago
    Oh yes, I forgot about this one. It's about the only thing my state is doing fairly well at.
• blhack 6y ago
  >We NEED enforcement of the new rules(6ft, masks) because they're not being followed where I'm at. How should those things be enforced in your opinion?
  • arrosenberg 6y ago
    With fines and jail time if necessary. OSHA can enforce in the workplace - it's quite literally their purview.
    • hayez1 6y ago
      Coronavirus has killed less people than the flu does in a year. You are living in hysteria. Wake up and look at what you are suggesting.
      • mcguire 6y ago
        You might want to check your sources on that.
      • throwaway55554 6y ago
        Citation?
      • thomaslord 6y ago
        Deaths reported as COVID-19 in the US so far: 90,263 Deaths due to flu during the 2018-2019 flu season: 34,157 Deaths due to flu during the 2017-2018 flu season: 61,000 So with a particularly deadly flu season in 2017-2018, COVID-19 has already killed nearly as many people as 2 flu seasons combined. There are also a lot of deaths that are likely caused by COVID-19 but haven't been attributed properly, for any number of reasons including not wanting to waste tests on people who are already dead. You can find a nice graphic here that expresses this phenomenon nicely using seasonal averages: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/covid-19-death-toll-undercounted/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/cov...
      • zeku 6y ago
        I don't understand why people are believing this literal fake news, you can look at your state's official stats to see it's not true...
• brutt 6y ago
  Or we can infect humans with human coronavirus to boost immunity against covid-19.