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According to Wikipedia (german article on Tesla Gigafactory 3), Tesla went from the ground-breaking ceremony at beginning of january 2019 in Shanghai to first c

According to Wikipedia (german article on Tesla Gigafactory 3), Tesla went from the ground-breaking ceremony at beginning of january 2019 in Shanghai to first cars produced there in november of the same year. They might be getting practice in building factories (what's the learning curve for car factories?).

foota 6y ago
I assumed this was due to Chinese experience building factories and a large labor pool, would be impressive to replicate that time here.
7thaccount 6y ago
The safety requirements are so much more lax that I'm willing to bet it makes building a factory much quicker in China.
- chrisan 6y ago
  Probably also more lax in TX than CA
  - lolsal 6y ago
    What makes you think this?
    - rconti 6y ago
      Part of the state's business model is bragging about businesses "fleeing" high-tax, high-regulation states like CA. Also, there was a thread a few days back about OSHA requirements; the Federal government sets minimum standards but each state's OSHA is free to set higher standard on top of that. There is a line of thinking (at least, among Tesla apologists) that CalOSHA is "the reason" that Tesla has the "most reported safety incidents" of auto mfgrs.
  - pvarangot 6y ago
    Not a chance, I worked with similarly regulated providers in the US.
    - xur17 6y ago
      CA is more lax than TX? I find that surprising.
      - snowwrestler 6y ago
        I think he said TX is not more lax than CA, which doesn't mean CA is more lax either. It's possible their safety regimes are simply similar. I think a lot of workplace safety rolls up to the feds anyway, so it wouldn't matter which state you choose.
      - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        https://workinjurysource.com/workplace-injury-statistics-2019/ https://workinjurysource.com/workplace-injury-statistics-201... > States with Non-Fatal Workplace Illness and Injury Rates Above the National Average: > California > States with Non-Fatal Workplace Illness and Injury Rates Below the National Average: > Texas It's completely possible that Texas is less adversarial/bureaucratic or similar than California, but whatever they're doing is working. Though it could be cultural differences. Government regulations are often half good best practices and half harmful backwards nonsense. A culture that only calls OSHA for not following best practices even after having it pointed out and not for not implementing backwards nonsense could pretty easily end up with a better safety record than one that prioritizes strict compliance over actual safety.
        jcranmer 6y ago
        That statistic is nearly completely useless for comparison. For starters, it's measuring non-fatal illnesses. If your regulatory regime is converting otherwise fatal accidents to non-fatal ones, then you're going to have higher rates despite being safer. (Historically, this has happened: the introduction of helmets in WW1 caused head injury rates to go up... because people who otherwise died now lived with a head injury instead). Another point is that states have quite different workplace characteristics, so the baseline risks are going to be quite different. Working in a coal mine is going to be an inherently more dangerous job than being a paper-pusher in an office tower. Unsurprisingly, West Virginia (which has a lot more of the former than the latter) is in the above-average list and New York (which has the reverse) is in the below-average list. Finally... there's no mention of the degree of difference at all.

foota 6y ago

I assumed this was due to Chinese experience building factories and a large labor pool, would be impressive to replicate that time here.

7thaccount 6y ago

The safety requirements are so much more lax that I'm willing to bet it makes building a factory much quicker in China.

chrisan 6y ago
Probably also more lax in TX than CA
- lolsal 6y ago
  What makes you think this?
  - rconti 6y ago
    Part of the state's business model is bragging about businesses "fleeing" high-tax, high-regulation states like CA. Also, there was a thread a few days back about OSHA requirements; the Federal government sets minimum standards but each state's OSHA is free to set higher standard on top of that. There is a line of thinking (at least, among Tesla apologists) that CalOSHA is "the reason" that Tesla has the "most reported safety incidents" of auto mfgrs.
- pvarangot 6y ago
  Not a chance, I worked with similarly regulated providers in the US.
  - xur17 6y ago
    CA is more lax than TX? I find that surprising.
    - snowwrestler 6y ago
      I think he said TX is not more lax than CA, which doesn't mean CA is more lax either. It's possible their safety regimes are simply similar. I think a lot of workplace safety rolls up to the feds anyway, so it wouldn't matter which state you choose.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      https://workinjurysource.com/workplace-injury-statistics-2019/ https://workinjurysource.com/workplace-injury-statistics-201... > States with Non-Fatal Workplace Illness and Injury Rates Above the National Average: > California > States with Non-Fatal Workplace Illness and Injury Rates Below the National Average: > Texas It's completely possible that Texas is less adversarial/bureaucratic or similar than California, but whatever they're doing is working. Though it could be cultural differences. Government regulations are often half good best practices and half harmful backwards nonsense. A culture that only calls OSHA for not following best practices even after having it pointed out and not for not implementing backwards nonsense could pretty easily end up with a better safety record than one that prioritizes strict compliance over actual safety.
      - jcranmer 6y ago
        That statistic is nearly completely useless for comparison. For starters, it's measuring non-fatal illnesses. If your regulatory regime is converting otherwise fatal accidents to non-fatal ones, then you're going to have higher rates despite being safer. (Historically, this has happened: the introduction of helmets in WW1 caused head injury rates to go up... because people who otherwise died now lived with a head injury instead). Another point is that states have quite different workplace characteristics, so the baseline risks are going to be quite different. Working in a coal mine is going to be an inherently more dangerous job than being a paper-pusher in an office tower. Unsurprisingly, West Virginia (which has a lot more of the former than the latter) is in the above-average list and New York (which has the reverse) is in the below-average list. Finally... there's no mention of the degree of difference at all.