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> Using such an approach on the global channels like YT comments isn't an option (unless they choose to Balkanize them, and let only Chinese commenters talk to

> Using such an approach on the global channels like YT comments isn't an option (unless they choose to Balkanize them, and let only Chinese commenters talk to Chinese people). That doesn't seem unreasonable. They could hide filtered comments from chinese users. This would allow the rest of the world to be unaffected by chinese regulation and "allowed" speech between chinese and foreigners.

philwelch 6y ago
But this is a case of Chinese speech in the Chinese language. If I used the English phrase “communist bandits”, YT presumably wouldn’t care. YT is applying Chinese regulations to Chinese comments written in Chinese.
- the8472 6y ago
  People outside china might be writing in chinese. Should the CCP be able to regulate speech of all chinese-speaking people globally? Should the UK be able to regulate all english speech globally?
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    Right and exactly. My guess is that this phrase has actually been trained into the ML algorithm as a "no-go" by the community (not by direct action from Google) because it's primarily used in contexts where Chinese nationals or national-sympathetics flag it. If the phrase isn't generally used in contexts that don't get flagged, the algorithm would learn quickly that "nobody" wants to see it.
    - the8472 6y ago
      "by the community" is the smoke and mirrors here. There is not a single unified community.
      - shadowgovt 6y ago
        No, there isn't, which is why the ML system can be fooled (especially by phrases that only have meaning for a subset of users; most comments on YT aren't in Chinese, so any isolated Chinese phrase sticks out like a sore thumb in terms of Bayesian priors and first-impression effects on the ML algorithm will be strong. The system will interpret "Most users never see this phrase but it gets flagged often when users do see it" as "This is objectionable content and should be downed automatically").
  - philwelch 6y ago
    > People outside china might be writing in chinese. Should the CCP be able to regulate speech of all chinese-speaking people globally? I can see why they would want to do that and I could see why YT would go along with their demands to do so. I didn’t say I agreed with it.

philwelch 6y ago

But this is a case of Chinese speech in the Chinese language. If I used the English phrase “communist bandits”, YT presumably wouldn’t care. YT is applying Chinese regulations to Chinese comments written in Chinese.

the8472 6y ago
People outside china might be writing in chinese. Should the CCP be able to regulate speech of all chinese-speaking people globally? Should the UK be able to regulate all english speech globally?
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  Right and exactly. My guess is that this phrase has actually been trained into the ML algorithm as a "no-go" by the community (not by direct action from Google) because it's primarily used in contexts where Chinese nationals or national-sympathetics flag it. If the phrase isn't generally used in contexts that don't get flagged, the algorithm would learn quickly that "nobody" wants to see it.
  - the8472 6y ago
    "by the community" is the smoke and mirrors here. There is not a single unified community.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      No, there isn't, which is why the ML system can be fooled (especially by phrases that only have meaning for a subset of users; most comments on YT aren't in Chinese, so any isolated Chinese phrase sticks out like a sore thumb in terms of Bayesian priors and first-impression effects on the ML algorithm will be strong. The system will interpret "Most users never see this phrase but it gets flagged often when users do see it" as "This is objectionable content and should be downed automatically").
- philwelch 6y ago
  > People outside china might be writing in chinese. Should the CCP be able to regulate speech of all chinese-speaking people globally? I can see why they would want to do that and I could see why YT would go along with their demands to do so. I didn’t say I agreed with it.