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Imagine you posting “nazi bandits” on a WW2 video and seeing it vanish after 15s. We in the IT community need to disassociate with google as much as we possibl

Imagine you posting “nazi bandits” on a WW2 video and seeing it vanish after 15s. We in the IT community need to disassociate with google as much as we possibly can. Free speech is more important than ever.

buboard 6y ago
There s no “we” in the IT community, theres the “well funded groupthink” and “the sea of the unknowns”. When did the IT band together to achieve something?
- PostOnce 6y ago
  Plenty of times, see the entire open source movement or the cypherpunks, or the browser wars in which Firefox was a major competitor, there must be tons of examples.
  - chillacy 6y ago
    I'm not quite sure the "we" encompasses a majority in all of these examples... especially the "browser wars" where firefox users are a definite minority (compared to IE users). But maybe you mean "we" as in "we the resistance" or something. After all the engineers Microsoft hired to build up IE were also part of the IT world.
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_4ziu 6y ago
The CCP is not the same as nazis. This is silly.
- mellow2020 6y ago
  "communist bandits" doesn't refer to communists in general. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_bandit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_bandit
- jwond 6y ago
  You’re right, they’re not the same. Communists have killed more people.
- yandrypozo 6y ago
  communism has killed more people than any other ideology or regime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Declaration_on_European_Conscience_and_Communism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Declaration_on_European...
  - _4ziu 6y ago
    I simply said they were not the same. You and another commenter have incorrectly inferred that I was talking about their victims. Says a lot more about you than it does about me.
    - blfr 6y ago
      They're (correctly) pointing out that communists are worse than nazis. Why would we offer them more protection in any way?
leoh 6y ago
It's more complex than that. Imagine that you are a US company operating in Germany that provides German citizens with an incredible amount of information that wouldn't otherwise be available. You have thousands of people working in Germany. Occasionally, the Nazis ask you to censor things, If you don't, your entire team is at risk and will all loose their employment and citizens of Germany will loose access to an incredible amount of information and services. It's not cut and dry.
- chance_state 6y ago
  >It's not cut and dry. Yeah, it actually is. You tell the Nazi's to fuck off and if they kick you out, they kick you out.
  - tomc1985 6y ago
    And then a number of your former staff and their families are kidnapped and sent into work/death camps
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  How do you feel about the German proscription on Nazi symbolism/speech? It's not absolute; for example, Mein Kampf is still published in Germany, but in academic critical editions which provide extensive historical information to place it in context.
  - himinlomax 6y ago
    The restrictions on Nazi symbolism are clearly infringing on freedom of speech, and should be recognized as such. On the other hand, they are somewhat limited in scope (though not enough to my taste, see video games) and more importantly, understandable in their very specific context. They were arguably needed in the aftermath of WW2 when denazification didn't go as smoothly and naturally as could have been hoped, if only to remove the social proof that Nazism might not have been entirely defeated.
- himinlomax 6y ago

buboard 6y ago

There s no “we” in the IT community, theres the “well funded groupthink” and “the sea of the unknowns”. When did the IT band together to achieve something?

PostOnce 6y ago
Plenty of times, see the entire open source movement or the cypherpunks, or the browser wars in which Firefox was a major competitor, there must be tons of examples.
- chillacy 6y ago
  I'm not quite sure the "we" encompasses a majority in all of these examples... especially the "browser wars" where firefox users are a definite minority (compared to IE users). But maybe you mean "we" as in "we the resistance" or something. After all the engineers Microsoft hired to build up IE were also part of the IT world.
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_4ziu 6y ago

The CCP is not the same as nazis. This is silly.

mellow2020 6y ago
"communist bandits" doesn't refer to communists in general. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_bandit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_bandit
jwond 6y ago
You’re right, they’re not the same. Communists have killed more people.
yandrypozo 6y ago
communism has killed more people than any other ideology or regime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Declaration_on_European_Conscience_and_Communism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Declaration_on_European...
- _4ziu 6y ago
  I simply said they were not the same. You and another commenter have incorrectly inferred that I was talking about their victims. Says a lot more about you than it does about me.
  - blfr 6y ago
    They're (correctly) pointing out that communists are worse than nazis. Why would we offer them more protection in any way?

leoh 6y ago

It's more complex than that. Imagine that you are a US company operating in Germany that provides German citizens with an incredible amount of information that wouldn't otherwise be available. You have thousands of people working in Germany. Occasionally, the Nazis ask you to censor things, If you don't, your entire team is at risk and will all loose their employment and citizens of Germany will loose access to an incredible amount of information and services. It's not cut and dry.

chance_state 6y ago
>It's not cut and dry. Yeah, it actually is. You tell the Nazi's to fuck off and if they kick you out, they kick you out.
- tomc1985 6y ago
  And then a number of your former staff and their families are kidnapped and sent into work/death camps
anigbrowl 6y ago
How do you feel about the German proscription on Nazi symbolism/speech? It's not absolute; for example, Mein Kampf is still published in Germany, but in academic critical editions which provide extensive historical information to place it in context.
- himinlomax 6y ago
  The restrictions on Nazi symbolism are clearly infringing on freedom of speech, and should be recognized as such. On the other hand, they are somewhat limited in scope (though not enough to my taste, see video games) and more importantly, understandable in their very specific context. They were arguably needed in the aftermath of WW2 when denazification didn't go as smoothly and naturally as could have been hoped, if only to remove the social proof that Nazism might not have been entirely defeated.
himinlomax 6y ago