Two comments: I spent the past week at a multi-lang conference in Montreal as part of the Ruby contingent. What i found is that most of the non-rubyists have

Two comments: I spent the past week at a multi-lang conference in Montreal as part of the Ruby contingent. What i found is that most of the non-rubyists have a notion of Rails that is stuck back in 2007. Rails has changed a whole lot, particularly with version 3, and in doing so, has become a much better citizen in the Rubysphere, in particular it's integration with other libraries and tools. So in so far as that is the case, Rails follows a Rubyist paradigm now. Second, i strongly disagree with the notion that the Ruby ethos and aesthetic "barely exist[s]". The number of Ruby conferences which do not have a rails focus that take place every year is quite large. Rails is and has been known to be different from Ruby, and once you are anywhere away from being a casual user of Rails, you will become familiar with the Ruby aesthetic by virtue of encountering libraries outside of Rails. The days of Rails plugins are gone.