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The opposition party could easily end this if they actually tried and offered a competing vision and a compelling candidate. They didn’t do this in 2016 and nei

The opposition party could easily end this if they actually tried and offered a competing vision and a compelling candidate. They didn’t do this in 2016 and neither are they doing it in 2020. No need to kill anybody.

Grimm1 6y ago
I completely agree, and while Trump is my main focus of the above comment I honestly think we need to do full scrutiny of both GOP and Dems I imagine we could hand out a lot of arrests on both sides of the isle. The corruption runs both ways and I don't find democrats as some amazing preferable choice, in fact Joe is a wet noodle. I think we need a reset all around which I'd be comfortable with being achieved by a combination of term limits and arrests for those who have broken the laws.
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  I never understand why people think term limits would do anything. Instead of long term corrupt people you would get a steady flow of people who jump from industry to government, do the bidding of the industry, and then go back. The result would be exactly the same.
  - Grimm1 6y ago
    Because the full view is term limits + lobbying is illegal + any thing that looks like what you described triggers an investigation for something like "corruption of a public servant" + none of the money as speech + reduced campaign time + no pacs or super pacs + a few more other things. There needs to be a multifaceted implementation of new policy. Term limits in a vacuum are useless, but if we didn't have a government that was pretty much a proxy for large corporations we could do neat things that would make anyone engaging in that type of arrangement's life a lot harder.
    - Ididntdothis 6y ago
      “if we didn't have a government that was pretty much a proxy for large corporations “ I agree with that. I just don’t think term limits will make a difference in this effort.
    - kickopotomus 6y ago
      I actually don't think that we need term limits. There is something to be said for experience. Instead we should take on the rest of the policies you mentioned, but also limit members of congress to have strict W-2-only incomes. With the exception of perhaps a 401(k) or pension plan, we need to limit the earning power of a congressional seat. I would also go so far as to say that members of congress should not be allowed to be active in the markets for some years (8?) after they leave office and their should also be limits on jobs they are allowed to take for some time after they leave office as well. I.e. they can't go sit on a board and get paid 7-figures right after giving up their seat.
davidw 6y ago
I'm good with someone who doesn't think the free press is the 'enemy of the people', who doesn't suggest ingesting disinfectants, and who is ok with releasing his taxes because he's not up to his eyeballs in corrupt schemes.
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  Don’t you find it pretty sad that the Democrats couldn’t come up with somebody people actually are excited to vote for?
  - davidw 6y ago
    Maybe it's time people stop focusing so much on one race and get involved with everything from the Senate down to city council races. And maybe it's time people stop treating the president as some kind of hero to get excited about and more someone with a job to do. This isn't partisan, either: Mitt Romney would be doing a far better job with COVID-19 than our current leadership.
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Grimm1 6y ago

I completely agree, and while Trump is my main focus of the above comment I honestly think we need to do full scrutiny of both GOP and Dems I imagine we could hand out a lot of arrests on both sides of the isle. The corruption runs both ways and I don't find democrats as some amazing preferable choice, in fact Joe is a wet noodle. I think we need a reset all around which I'd be comfortable with being achieved by a combination of term limits and arrests for those who have broken the laws.

Ididntdothis 6y ago
I never understand why people think term limits would do anything. Instead of long term corrupt people you would get a steady flow of people who jump from industry to government, do the bidding of the industry, and then go back. The result would be exactly the same.
- Grimm1 6y ago
  Because the full view is term limits + lobbying is illegal + any thing that looks like what you described triggers an investigation for something like "corruption of a public servant" + none of the money as speech + reduced campaign time + no pacs or super pacs + a few more other things. There needs to be a multifaceted implementation of new policy. Term limits in a vacuum are useless, but if we didn't have a government that was pretty much a proxy for large corporations we could do neat things that would make anyone engaging in that type of arrangement's life a lot harder.
  - Ididntdothis 6y ago
    “if we didn't have a government that was pretty much a proxy for large corporations “ I agree with that. I just don’t think term limits will make a difference in this effort.
  - kickopotomus 6y ago
    I actually don't think that we need term limits. There is something to be said for experience. Instead we should take on the rest of the policies you mentioned, but also limit members of congress to have strict W-2-only incomes. With the exception of perhaps a 401(k) or pension plan, we need to limit the earning power of a congressional seat. I would also go so far as to say that members of congress should not be allowed to be active in the markets for some years (8?) after they leave office and their should also be limits on jobs they are allowed to take for some time after they leave office as well. I.e. they can't go sit on a board and get paid 7-figures right after giving up their seat.

davidw 6y ago

I'm good with someone who doesn't think the free press is the 'enemy of the people', who doesn't suggest ingesting disinfectants, and who is ok with releasing his taxes because he's not up to his eyeballs in corrupt schemes.

Ididntdothis 6y ago
Don’t you find it pretty sad that the Democrats couldn’t come up with somebody people actually are excited to vote for?
- davidw 6y ago
  Maybe it's time people stop focusing so much on one race and get involved with everything from the Senate down to city council races. And maybe it's time people stop treating the president as some kind of hero to get excited about and more someone with a job to do. This isn't partisan, either: Mitt Romney would be doing a far better job with COVID-19 than our current leadership.
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