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> not Somalia I'm curious why you would choose this example. Is somalia a country without a society ?

by elcomet 6y ago

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Somalia is the type of society that aligns with libertarian ideals. "Let the free market work it out."
- Kye 6y ago
  The risk of using a country/region as an example like this is that it's hard for them to shake the image when things improve.
- dmix 6y ago
  Somalia became a failed state after their 21-year socialist experiment completely destroyed the economy and they haven't recovered from it since: > The Somali Democratic Republic, the Marxist–Leninist military government gave to Somalia under President Major General Mohamed Siad Barre, after seizing power in a coup d'état on 21 October 1969. > Barre's administration ruled Somalia for the next 21 years until Somalia collapsed into anarchy in 1991. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic This idea that they are some sort of capitalist economy rooted in libertarian ideas is a baseless position. Just because a state fails doesn't suddenly make their economy libertarian or even capitalist. The word anarchy is used for a reason. Today, the two major parties in Somalia are both Islamic centrist parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himilo_Qaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himilo_Qaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Peace_and_Development_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Peace_and_Developmen... 2020 is the first time since 1969 that Somalians will have a one-man one-vote election. Probably not the best place from which to base your economic/political attacks... Besides, the vast majority of libertarians want a smaller gov, not no government. Stable courts/police/military run by the state is almost always assumed. Only the fringiest of fringe left/right groups calling for stateless anarchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state
  - JAlexoid 6y ago
    Awww...it's cute that you think that libertarianism is anything other than anarchist. Anarchy isn't a synonym for pandemonium.

> not Somalia I'm curious why you would choose this example. Is somalia a country without a society ?

toomuchtodo 6y ago

Somalia is the type of society that aligns with libertarian ideals. "Let the free market work it out."

Kye 6y ago
The risk of using a country/region as an example like this is that it's hard for them to shake the image when things improve.
dmix 6y ago
Somalia became a failed state after their 21-year socialist experiment completely destroyed the economy and they haven't recovered from it since: > The Somali Democratic Republic, the Marxist–Leninist military government gave to Somalia under President Major General Mohamed Siad Barre, after seizing power in a coup d'état on 21 October 1969. > Barre's administration ruled Somalia for the next 21 years until Somalia collapsed into anarchy in 1991. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic This idea that they are some sort of capitalist economy rooted in libertarian ideas is a baseless position. Just because a state fails doesn't suddenly make their economy libertarian or even capitalist. The word anarchy is used for a reason. Today, the two major parties in Somalia are both Islamic centrist parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himilo_Qaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himilo_Qaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Peace_and_Development_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Peace_and_Developmen... 2020 is the first time since 1969 that Somalians will have a one-man one-vote election. Probably not the best place from which to base your economic/political attacks... Besides, the vast majority of libertarians want a smaller gov, not no government. Stable courts/police/military run by the state is almost always assumed. Only the fringiest of fringe left/right groups calling for stateless anarchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state
- JAlexoid 6y ago
  Awww...it's cute that you think that libertarianism is anything other than anarchist. Anarchy isn't a synonym for pandemonium.