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Nobody is forced to work for Uber and the like, restaurants can also ban these services.

by fosk 6y ago

toomuchtodo 6y ago
This is a tired argument. We live in a society, not Somalia. Government exists to regulate to protect citizens, and I'm starting to believe these arguments are put forth to give these monstrosities more time before death gasps.
- elcomet 6y ago
  > not Somalia I'm curious why you would choose this example. Is somalia a country without a society ?
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Somalia is the type of society that aligns with libertarian ideals. "Let the free market work it out."
    - Kye 6y ago
      The risk of using a country/region as an example like this is that it's hard for them to shake the image when things improve.
    - dmix 6y ago
      Somalia became a failed state after their 21-year socialist experiment completely destroyed the economy and they haven't recovered from it since: > The Somali Democratic Republic, the Marxist–Leninist military government gave to Somalia under President Major General Mohamed Siad Barre, after seizing power in a coup d'état on 21 October 1969. > Barre's administration ruled Somalia for the next 21 years until Somalia collapsed into anarchy in 1991. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic This idea that they are some sort of capitalist economy rooted in libertarian ideas is a baseless position. Just because a state fails doesn't suddenly make their economy libertarian or even capitalist. The word anarchy is used for a reason. Today, the two major parties in Somalia are both Islamic centrist parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himilo_Qaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himilo_Qaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Peace_and_Development_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Peace_and_Developmen... 2020 is the first time since 1969 that Somalians will have a one-man one-vote election. Probably not the best place from which to base your economic/political attacks... Besides, the vast majority of libertarians want a smaller gov, not no government. Stable courts/police/military run by the state is almost always assumed. Only the fringiest of fringe left/right groups calling for stateless anarchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state
      - JAlexoid 6y ago
        Awww...it's cute that you think that libertarianism is anything other than anarchist. Anarchy isn't a synonym for pandemonium.
- fosk 6y ago
  This is laughable, since the government also created an artificial taxi monopoly that benefitted no one but a small subset of people. Uber is a godsend to millions of people and drivers around the world, to say otherwise in order to drive your political agenda it’s akin to living under a rock. And if you want some proof, just ask every Uber driver if they would be sad or happy if the service disappeared tomorrow and hear their answers. There is a world out there that lives and thrives thanks to companies like Uber.
TeMPOraL 6y ago
Uber is artificially starving out the markets it enters by offering dumping prices. Restaurants are similarly dragged into participating at gunpoint (in particular, the likes of DoorDash, Yelp and GrubHub will absolutely hold the restaurant's reputation hostage until it joins the platform).
- fosk 6y ago
  Wrong. Uber made the market bigger and a result to that there are more people overall working for the transportation industry. It’s not like every Uber driver would have been a taxi driver if Uber didn’t exist..
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Of course it made the market bigger, because it forced the competitors to lower prices to unsustainable levels. Lower prices = more demand = more supply = bigger market. For now. It's also true that the more fast neutrons hit your fissile matter, the more energy you can extract faster. Yet it doesn't make an atomic bomb work as a viable power source.
EdwardDiego 6y ago
But doing so is a classic Prisoner's Dilemma in the short term - if you don't acquiesce to Uber Eats delivery fees, but your competitors do, who captures the market share? Even if it isn't fruitful for them in the long term, it shafts you in the short term.

Nobody is forced to work for Uber and the like, restaurants can also ban these services.

by fosk 6y ago

Nobody is forced to work for Uber and the like, restaurants can also ban these services.

This is a tired argument. We live in a society, not Somalia. Government exists to regulate to protect citizens, and I'm starting to believe these arguments are put forth to give these monstrosities more time before death gasps.

elcomet 6y ago
> not Somalia I'm curious why you would choose this example. Is somalia a country without a society ?
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Somalia is the type of society that aligns with libertarian ideals. "Let the free market work it out."
  - Kye 6y ago
    The risk of using a country/region as an example like this is that it's hard for them to shake the image when things improve.
  - dmix 6y ago
    Somalia became a failed state after their 21-year socialist experiment completely destroyed the economy and they haven't recovered from it since: > The Somali Democratic Republic, the Marxist–Leninist military government gave to Somalia under President Major General Mohamed Siad Barre, after seizing power in a coup d'état on 21 October 1969. > Barre's administration ruled Somalia for the next 21 years until Somalia collapsed into anarchy in 1991. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic This idea that they are some sort of capitalist economy rooted in libertarian ideas is a baseless position. Just because a state fails doesn't suddenly make their economy libertarian or even capitalist. The word anarchy is used for a reason. Today, the two major parties in Somalia are both Islamic centrist parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himilo_Qaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Himilo_Qaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Peace_and_Development_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_for_Peace_and_Developmen... 2020 is the first time since 1969 that Somalians will have a one-man one-vote election. Probably not the best place from which to base your economic/political attacks... Besides, the vast majority of libertarians want a smaller gov, not no government. Stable courts/police/military run by the state is almost always assumed. Only the fringiest of fringe left/right groups calling for stateless anarchy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state
    - JAlexoid 6y ago
      Awww...it's cute that you think that libertarianism is anything other than anarchist. Anarchy isn't a synonym for pandemonium.
fosk 6y ago
This is laughable, since the government also created an artificial taxi monopoly that benefitted no one but a small subset of people. Uber is a godsend to millions of people and drivers around the world, to say otherwise in order to drive your political agenda it’s akin to living under a rock. And if you want some proof, just ask every Uber driver if they would be sad or happy if the service disappeared tomorrow and hear their answers. There is a world out there that lives and thrives thanks to companies like Uber.

TeMPOraL 6y ago

Uber is artificially starving out the markets it enters by offering dumping prices. Restaurants are similarly dragged into participating at gunpoint (in particular, the likes of DoorDash, Yelp and GrubHub will absolutely hold the restaurant's reputation hostage until it joins the platform).

fosk 6y ago
Wrong. Uber made the market bigger and a result to that there are more people overall working for the transportation industry. It’s not like every Uber driver would have been a taxi driver if Uber didn’t exist..
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Of course it made the market bigger, because it forced the competitors to lower prices to unsustainable levels. Lower prices = more demand = more supply = bigger market. For now. It's also true that the more fast neutrons hit your fissile matter, the more energy you can extract faster. Yet it doesn't make an atomic bomb work as a viable power source.

EdwardDiego 6y ago

But doing so is a classic Prisoner's Dilemma in the short term - if you don't acquiesce to Uber Eats delivery fees, but your competitors do, who captures the market share? Even if it isn't fruitful for them in the long term, it shafts you in the short term.