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Google is just such an awful, despicable company, that I've actually moved everything I can from their platform. It wasn't easy, I'd been a Gmail user for nearl

Google is just such an awful, despicable company, that I've actually moved everything I can from their platform. It wasn't easy, I'd been a Gmail user for nearly 15 years. I'd rather pay Microsoft a hundred bucks a year than support them. That's how much I hate Google.

FrozenSynapse 6y ago
If Google specifically says in it's Google Play TOS that keywords related to COVID-19 are forbidden, then the decision is correct. Stop hating on Google! Google is one of the few companies that provide quality services for end-users "for free".
- hpoe 6y ago
  You're right all just "for free" don't mind them now slurping up your emails, tracking your locations at all times, recording your voice, and more. It's free. Don't worry about what's happening outside the Coliseum focus on the bread and circuses being passed out everything is fine.
- cwhiz 6y ago
  Legitimately, are you a paid Google employee?
  - pb7 6y ago
    Unlikely. Google employees are paid too much to care what people on a forum think about the company.
    - altgoogler 6y ago
      Googler here. You might be surprised about what Google employees care about.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html >Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data.
- RonanTheGrey 6y ago
  I mean, the very subject of this thread started with a description that contained no COVID keywords, so "related" must be interpreted (to me, unreasonably) broadly. Since there are no rules, and no published list of words you can't use, there's also no recourse. Irrational and irresponsible. Par for the course for Google, really.
webartifex 6y ago
Agree. I am using the German email provider mailbox.org They even report how often the government forces them to release info with a search warrant. However, I have yet to find an email provider that mimics Gmail's tagging system (=> you can give n many tags to a single email and that email is only kept once on the server). I often think that Google's "Don't do evil" motto is stretched way too often these days.
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  They removed "Do no evil" from their guidelines.
  - webartifex 6y ago
    For real? Now I understand.
  - mdwrigh2 6y ago
    It's "Don't be evil" and it's still in the code of conduct: And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up! - https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/
    - vorpalhex 6y ago
      [^1] is the particular source I had in mind. It seems to no longer be a value but part of the signoff. [^1]: https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393 https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-do...
      - Crash0v3rid3 6y ago
        The last sentence in your article: 'The updated version of Google’s code of conduct still retains one reference to the company’s unofficial motto—the final line of the document is still: “And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!”' So they literally just moved it to the end of the code of conduct and did not remove it.
koheripbal 6y ago
wait... what makes Microsoft any better? I mean, the only reason they aren't flexing the same muscle is because they don't (today) have the monopoly power Google has. ...but when they did, they acted the same way. ...and if they do again, they'll do the same as Google. The only correct move, IMO, is to self-host.
bbarn 6y ago
I've had a private email address and domain for years, sending and recieving via gmail. I'm looking to move away from gmail to some other hosted solution that I can keep my personal domain emails with, without having to have my own SMTP servers running. Any suggestions?
- DrJokepu 6y ago
  Had very good experiences with FastMail.
- yumraj 6y ago
  try Zoho. recently moved my emails to it. I like it so far..

FrozenSynapse 6y ago

If Google specifically says in it's Google Play TOS that keywords related to COVID-19 are forbidden, then the decision is correct. Stop hating on Google! Google is one of the few companies that provide quality services for end-users "for free".

hpoe 6y ago
You're right all just "for free" don't mind them now slurping up your emails, tracking your locations at all times, recording your voice, and more. It's free. Don't worry about what's happening outside the Coliseum focus on the bread and circuses being passed out everything is fine.
cwhiz 6y ago
Legitimately, are you a paid Google employee?
- pb7 6y ago
  Unlikely. Google employees are paid too much to care what people on a forum think about the company.
  - altgoogler 6y ago
    Googler here. You might be surprised about what Google employees care about.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html >Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email us and we'll look at the data.
RonanTheGrey 6y ago
I mean, the very subject of this thread started with a description that contained no COVID keywords, so "related" must be interpreted (to me, unreasonably) broadly. Since there are no rules, and no published list of words you can't use, there's also no recourse. Irrational and irresponsible. Par for the course for Google, really.

webartifex 6y ago

Agree. I am using the German email provider mailbox.org They even report how often the government forces them to release info with a search warrant. However, I have yet to find an email provider that mimics Gmail's tagging system (=> you can give n many tags to a single email and that email is only kept once on the server). I often think that Google's "Don't do evil" motto is stretched way too often these days.

vorpalhex 6y ago
They removed "Do no evil" from their guidelines.
- webartifex 6y ago
  For real? Now I understand.
- mdwrigh2 6y ago
  It's "Don't be evil" and it's still in the code of conduct: And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up! - https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    [^1] is the particular source I had in mind. It seems to no longer be a value but part of the signoff. [^1]: https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393 https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-do...
    - Crash0v3rid3 6y ago
      The last sentence in your article: 'The updated version of Google’s code of conduct still retains one reference to the company’s unofficial motto—the final line of the document is still: “And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!”' So they literally just moved it to the end of the code of conduct and did not remove it.

koheripbal 6y ago

wait... what makes Microsoft any better? I mean, the only reason they aren't flexing the same muscle is because they don't (today) have the monopoly power Google has. ...but when they did, they acted the same way. ...and if they do again, they'll do the same as Google. The only correct move, IMO, is to self-host.

bbarn 6y ago

I've had a private email address and domain for years, sending and recieving via gmail. I'm looking to move away from gmail to some other hosted solution that I can keep my personal domain emails with, without having to have my own SMTP servers running. Any suggestions?

DrJokepu 6y ago
Had very good experiences with FastMail.
yumraj 6y ago
try Zoho. recently moved my emails to it. I like it so far..