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> I am not surprised this is happening. The small offices in each state are responsible for 100s of millions of dollars and they awfully unequipped for it. But

> I am not surprised this is happening. The small offices in each state are responsible for 100s of millions of dollars and they awfully unequipped for it. But trust us when we tell you that voter fraud isn't happening, that mail-in ballots offer no increased risks, and that non-citizens aren't voting.

OldHand2018 6y ago
Every piece of mail must enter the system and be postmarked correctly. The US postal service certainly will not accept or deliver a piece of mail with a "Miami Beach, FL" postmark addressed to the "Sacramento Board of Elections" if it comes in with a batch of Par Avion mail off a plane from Nigeria. You understand that the standard ML training data for OCR is from the US postal service, right? They've been routing mail electronically for decades. The election system in the US is ridiculously decentralized, which makes it really hard to commit large-scale voter fraud at the ballot level.
tres 6y ago
[Citation Needed] Not that it's either relevant or germane to a discussion regarding an organization using stolen identity to wire funds electronically. Multiple states have been using mail-in ballots for literally decades. No widespread voter fraud has ever been reported. Here's an anecdote for you: a few elections back, my signature didn't look quite right on the envelope of my ballot. Got a call from elections officials to verify that I had in fact filled out the ballot. There's a lot more control involved in mail-in voting than there are in fraudulently filling-out an online form and receiving an electronic funds transfer.
- moduspol 6y ago
  > Not that it's either relevant or germane to a discussion regarding an organization using stolen identity to wire funds electronically. It's absolutely relevant, particularly when the article discusses "mules" in the US (with US mailing addresses) being used in furtherance of the scheme on behalf of foreign individuals. If it can be done to steal hundreds of millions of dollars by Nigerians using recipients' PII, it's difficult to imagine how it couldn't be done with mail-in ballots. If it isn't already, it's only a matter of time until it's worth doing to someone.

OldHand2018 6y ago

Every piece of mail must enter the system and be postmarked correctly. The US postal service certainly will not accept or deliver a piece of mail with a "Miami Beach, FL" postmark addressed to the "Sacramento Board of Elections" if it comes in with a batch of Par Avion mail off a plane from Nigeria. You understand that the standard ML training data for OCR is from the US postal service, right? They've been routing mail electronically for decades. The election system in the US is ridiculously decentralized, which makes it really hard to commit large-scale voter fraud at the ballot level.

tres 6y ago

[Citation Needed] Not that it's either relevant or germane to a discussion regarding an organization using stolen identity to wire funds electronically. Multiple states have been using mail-in ballots for literally decades. No widespread voter fraud has ever been reported. Here's an anecdote for you: a few elections back, my signature didn't look quite right on the envelope of my ballot. Got a call from elections officials to verify that I had in fact filled out the ballot. There's a lot more control involved in mail-in voting than there are in fraudulently filling-out an online form and receiving an electronic funds transfer.

moduspol 6y ago
> Not that it's either relevant or germane to a discussion regarding an organization using stolen identity to wire funds electronically. It's absolutely relevant, particularly when the article discusses "mules" in the US (with US mailing addresses) being used in furtherance of the scheme on behalf of foreign individuals. If it can be done to steal hundreds of millions of dollars by Nigerians using recipients' PII, it's difficult to imagine how it couldn't be done with mail-in ballots. If it isn't already, it's only a matter of time until it's worth doing to someone.