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Argentina invaded the Falklands here.

fit2rule 6y ago
Okay, edited my comment to reflect this fact. Nevertheless, the point still stands: should we be so willing to allow our intelligence apparatus, as citizens, to be sold on an open market of economy for subterfuge and covert action? I would argue, definitely not. To allow this to occur, creates a super-state - as we have seen - which answers to nobody but itself, and is thus an usurpation of democracy.
unixhero 6y ago
Yes, this was no clear cut case of war. Argentina got invaded.
- C1sc0cat 6y ago
  What by the Spanish "colonisers :-) The Falklanders certainly considered themselves part of the UK
- pjc50 6y ago
  Er, no - Argentina invaded first; the islands were British from colonization onwards.
  - dep_b 6y ago
    First the Dutch, then the Spanish, who got kicked out by the British around the Argentine independence. Most of the time that the islands were inhabited the people that lived there were British. While the Spanish hold no colonies in South America anymore, the British do. The Argentines would have been the logical successors to the Spanish and Britain invaded Argentina as well. It’s hard to find the good guys in this story but it would be really hard to the people that currently live on the islands to become part of Argentina
    - ashtonkem 6y ago
      If the island were heavily populated prior to colonization, or even filled with Argentinians, it would make sense. But it was uninhabited before colonization, and they voted 96% in favor remaining a colony in 1986. The UK actually attempted to transfer the island to Argentina twice in the 20th century, but stopped because the Falkland islanders themselves hated the idea. I think it’s pretty hard to argue that Argentina did anything but invade here, not liberate, given the disposition of the actual people who live there.
      - dep_b 6y ago
        > But it was uninhabited before colonization It was uninhabited before the French and Brits settled there, but soon the French and later the Brits were replaced with Spanish settlers. It had been a Spanish colony for decades before the British invaded and kicked the Spanish settlers out. Of course replacing the original inhabitants with you own works, it's the oldest trick in the book. > the Falkland islanders themselves hated the idea. Well apart from nationalism and resentment after the invasion joining Argentina is also a bad move in economic terms because it has a severe crisis every other decade. I don't think you can ask them to join a country that does such a poor job managing itself and Argentina should focus on economic and legal stability before talking about it again. It's not easy, just take a look at Hong Kong.

Okay, edited my comment to reflect this fact. Nevertheless, the point still stands: should we be so willing to allow our intelligence apparatus, as citizens, to be sold on an open market of economy for subterfuge and covert action? I would argue, definitely not. To allow this to occur, creates a super-state - as we have seen - which answers to nobody but itself, and is thus an usurpation of democracy.

unixhero 6y ago

Yes, this was no clear cut case of war. Argentina got invaded.

C1sc0cat 6y ago
What by the Spanish "colonisers :-) The Falklanders certainly considered themselves part of the UK
pjc50 6y ago
Er, no - Argentina invaded first; the islands were British from colonization onwards.
- dep_b 6y ago
  First the Dutch, then the Spanish, who got kicked out by the British around the Argentine independence. Most of the time that the islands were inhabited the people that lived there were British. While the Spanish hold no colonies in South America anymore, the British do. The Argentines would have been the logical successors to the Spanish and Britain invaded Argentina as well. It’s hard to find the good guys in this story but it would be really hard to the people that currently live on the islands to become part of Argentina
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    If the island were heavily populated prior to colonization, or even filled with Argentinians, it would make sense. But it was uninhabited before colonization, and they voted 96% in favor remaining a colony in 1986. The UK actually attempted to transfer the island to Argentina twice in the 20th century, but stopped because the Falkland islanders themselves hated the idea. I think it’s pretty hard to argue that Argentina did anything but invade here, not liberate, given the disposition of the actual people who live there.
    - dep_b 6y ago
      > But it was uninhabited before colonization It was uninhabited before the French and Brits settled there, but soon the French and later the Brits were replaced with Spanish settlers. It had been a Spanish colony for decades before the British invaded and kicked the Spanish settlers out. Of course replacing the original inhabitants with you own works, it's the oldest trick in the book. > the Falkland islanders themselves hated the idea. Well apart from nationalism and resentment after the invasion joining Argentina is also a bad move in economic terms because it has a severe crisis every other decade. I don't think you can ask them to join a country that does such a poor job managing itself and Argentina should focus on economic and legal stability before talking about it again. It's not easy, just take a look at Hong Kong.