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If they discourage people from using something, they should tell people what is the alternative. I've been user of Signal for years, but with recent changes es

If they discourage people from using something, they should tell people what is the alternative. I've been user of Signal for years, but with recent changes especially with screen nagging me and everyone else to enter PIN I'm going back to Whatsapp, which was my secondary messenger, but which has most contacts anyway. What are the other options - Messenger, Telegram, Skype or whatever Google kills this year, which are all not even E2E encrypted by default (let alone colecting metadata)? Anything else has zero users and it's not user friendly. It's not like there is user friendly completely safe service, after all even Signal now collects and stores your contacts in cloud after forcing you to create PIN nobody asked for, while they still keep asking for phone number and nag you with other prompts instead of adding basic features like pin conversation to top.

urxvtcd 6y ago
> forcing you to create PIN nobody asked for You do realize that user profiles is one of the most requested features, right?
- Markoff 6y ago
  these are not user profiles, this is cloud backup of your contacts and settings if it was trade off that together with PIN I can start using Signal without phone number on devices without SIM I would be much more understanding
  - urxvtcd 6y ago
    Which I assume is a first step towards user profiles. Their development team is small and every feature has to be implemented using state of the art crypto.
- 0x006A 6y ago
  Nobody asked for spaced repetition nagging, and no way to turn it off. its so condescending and stupid of them. If you don't give users a choice, the only choice left to them is to stop using your app.
  - urxvtcd 6y ago
    Yeah, maybe they could leave an option to disable this. But it takes like 30 seconds to input your pin if it's really long, and that's every few days. I for one think it's a neat solution of "now give us an 8-digit pin you've set up a year ago" problem.
cecja 6y ago
This is about official state offices like the arbeitsamt (department for unemployment) contacting citizens vie WhatsApp. Which does not comply with data privacy laws. There are other means of communication in place for these kind of correspondence. This is no letter to the general public. Funny enough it got released because of our version of your freedom of information act.

urxvtcd 6y ago

> forcing you to create PIN nobody asked for You do realize that user profiles is one of the most requested features, right?

Markoff 6y ago
these are not user profiles, this is cloud backup of your contacts and settings if it was trade off that together with PIN I can start using Signal without phone number on devices without SIM I would be much more understanding
- urxvtcd 6y ago
  Which I assume is a first step towards user profiles. Their development team is small and every feature has to be implemented using state of the art crypto.
0x006A 6y ago
Nobody asked for spaced repetition nagging, and no way to turn it off. its so condescending and stupid of them. If you don't give users a choice, the only choice left to them is to stop using your app.
- urxvtcd 6y ago
  Yeah, maybe they could leave an option to disable this. But it takes like 30 seconds to input your pin if it's really long, and that's every few days. I for one think it's a neat solution of "now give us an 8-digit pin you've set up a year ago" problem.

cecja 6y ago

This is about official state offices like the arbeitsamt (department for unemployment) contacting citizens vie WhatsApp. Which does not comply with data privacy laws. There are other means of communication in place for these kind of correspondence. This is no letter to the general public. Funny enough it got released because of our version of your freedom of information act.