> In the grand scheme of things kids are way more important than any career. So, you're not a utilitarian? > far more valuable than a mere product like 2+ liv

> In the grand scheme of things kids are way more important than any career. So, you're not a utilitarian? > far more valuable than a mere product like 2+ living beings continuing your bloodline and thus making the world better,safer and one step closer to the future I'm not seeing how leaving more people in the world is necessarily making it a better place. Why should it be better that way? Why should OP's offsprings be making the world a safer place? What does "one step closer to the future" even mean in this context? The concrete negative impact of producing more humans: more consumption (even if they're non-consumptionist), more global warming, more destabilized ecosystem. > When you are old and sick who will be there to hand you a glass of water? [...] Who will defend you against bad people when you are too old? People often worry about securing help for their old age. Can't raise a glass of water and can't defend against bad people? Perhaps one led a good life - what issue is there with just letting go? Alan Watts said the second half of life was all about preparing to die. Fwiw, I'm planning to have children, for my own selfish reasons. The reasons you cited don't speak to me much.