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Anyone else feels this is shortsighted? Estimates are that China is 10 years away to be able to build chips domestically that can compete with TSMC. Mostly bec

Anyone else feels this is shortsighted? Estimates are that China is 10 years away to be able to build chips domestically that can compete with TSMC. Mostly because a lot of the precision chip making technologies are hard to make and are only made by a few manufactures and their exports are controlled. However, I feel like our new competitive mindset is using the wall to block others. To wall off China to wall off immigrants. I love to see manufacturing sector return to US and protect US jobs, however, it seems like instead of investing into the future, like we had in the 50s, 60s, 70s we are spending our limited resources waging all types of wars and then using our might to block other countries now. We've lost our ability to make political decisions and planning with a long-term vision, and if we think building walls will stop innovation in other places, we're wrong. All we're doing is setting back China for a few years, fueling a nationalistic fervor to motivate their public even more and once they've caught up, they'll even be stronger and more competitive. While we might keep the aging Western Europe under our pressure, rest of the emerging world will be under China. I'm also really curious how this action will ultimately impact Taiwanese views of merging with China. It's possible this might create more sympathy and create a massive defeat for the nationalist side of Taiwan and the country might vote to merge with China. What would we do then? Stop Apple from buying chips from TSMC?

NonEUCitizen 6y ago
Just a note on the word "nationalist" re: Taiwan. It's confusing to most, but in Taiwan, "nationalist" is the pro-China faction, due to historical association of that term with the KMT. "Green," pro-independence, or "TI" (Taiwan Independence) would be the less confusing term for the side you think might lose with this development. The TI side has been winning bigly in the past year thanks to Xi Jinping and Carrie Lam's treatment of Hong Kong, and to China's and WHO's lack of transparency in the early days of COVID-19.
- GenericsMotors 6y ago
  >Just a note on the word "nationalist" re: Taiwan. It's confusing to most, but in Taiwan, "nationalist" is the pro-China faction, due to historical association of that term with the KMT. >"Green," pro-independence, or "TI" (Taiwan Independence) would be the less confusing term for the side you think might lose with this development. TIL, thanks for sharing!
- microcolonel 6y ago
  The terminology gets even more confusing when you realize that both factions of the civil war looked up to the same figure, except one viewed him as a proto-communist revolutionary, the other viewed him as a liberal nationalist revolutionary.
elp 6y ago
I think this sends a really strong message to the rest of the world to try avoid buying US technology because they might get locked into arbitrary rules sometime in the future. There was an article in The Economist a few month back (can't find the link right now) that suggested that China might secretly like Donald Trump and accept the short term pain of his presidency because of the long term gain of the wedge he is driving between the USA and the rest of the world.
- addicted 6y ago
  If you just look at the Coronavirus as an example. The world would be quite happy pinning the blame on China. Instead, that would put them on the side of Donald Trump who is doing it in the most ham handed and transparently political way, and is, worse, messing with countries’ abilities to protect their citizens with a vaccine, by trying to buy away their companies, acquire exclusive rights, and refusing to sign any Coronavirus patent sharing agreements. So as much as pretty much every leader in the world would like to blame China, thanks to Trump it’s hard for them to do so. So in a way Trump is definitely helping China. And that’s before we take into account the shattering of the image of American effectiveness and competence that Trump’s disastrous response has caused.
  - odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
    You do know that at least the 'trump trying to buy company that is doing vaccine' has been just a rumour and executives of the company have said it wasn't true right? [1] I'm no fan of Trump (not even american) but I feel that since it is easy to make him a fool on news reports, anything he does/says (or in some cases, doesn't do/say) makes big headlines so news reports tend to paint him in the worst possible light (drives revenue) and don't give a shit about what is really the truth. During quarantine I was stuck about 2 months at my parents house and had basically 24h news cycle on TV. It is funny to see both national and international news to 'mock' Trump for something, and actually say nice things about other countries that did exactly the same. For example, when US stopped flights from china and then europe, news anchors were calling him everything from racist to idiot, when european countries did, they were smart to try and prevent the spread. [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-germany-curevac/ https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-ge...
rapsey 6y ago
> Estimates are that China is 10 years away to be able to build chips domestically that can compete with TSMC. 10 years away from making todays chips? That means they are extremely far off. 10 years away from competing with what TSMC is putting out in 10 years? That would mean their pace of development would be much faster. Putting any kind of accurate prediction on that is absurd.

NonEUCitizen 6y ago

Just a note on the word "nationalist" re: Taiwan. It's confusing to most, but in Taiwan, "nationalist" is the pro-China faction, due to historical association of that term with the KMT. "Green," pro-independence, or "TI" (Taiwan Independence) would be the less confusing term for the side you think might lose with this development. The TI side has been winning bigly in the past year thanks to Xi Jinping and Carrie Lam's treatment of Hong Kong, and to China's and WHO's lack of transparency in the early days of COVID-19.

GenericsMotors 6y ago
>Just a note on the word "nationalist" re: Taiwan. It's confusing to most, but in Taiwan, "nationalist" is the pro-China faction, due to historical association of that term with the KMT. >"Green," pro-independence, or "TI" (Taiwan Independence) would be the less confusing term for the side you think might lose with this development. TIL, thanks for sharing!
microcolonel 6y ago
The terminology gets even more confusing when you realize that both factions of the civil war looked up to the same figure, except one viewed him as a proto-communist revolutionary, the other viewed him as a liberal nationalist revolutionary.

elp 6y ago

I think this sends a really strong message to the rest of the world to try avoid buying US technology because they might get locked into arbitrary rules sometime in the future. There was an article in The Economist a few month back (can't find the link right now) that suggested that China might secretly like Donald Trump and accept the short term pain of his presidency because of the long term gain of the wedge he is driving between the USA and the rest of the world.

addicted 6y ago
If you just look at the Coronavirus as an example. The world would be quite happy pinning the blame on China. Instead, that would put them on the side of Donald Trump who is doing it in the most ham handed and transparently political way, and is, worse, messing with countries’ abilities to protect their citizens with a vaccine, by trying to buy away their companies, acquire exclusive rights, and refusing to sign any Coronavirus patent sharing agreements. So as much as pretty much every leader in the world would like to blame China, thanks to Trump it’s hard for them to do so. So in a way Trump is definitely helping China. And that’s before we take into account the shattering of the image of American effectiveness and competence that Trump’s disastrous response has caused.
- odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
  You do know that at least the 'trump trying to buy company that is doing vaccine' has been just a rumour and executives of the company have said it wasn't true right? [1] I'm no fan of Trump (not even american) but I feel that since it is easy to make him a fool on news reports, anything he does/says (or in some cases, doesn't do/say) makes big headlines so news reports tend to paint him in the worst possible light (drives revenue) and don't give a shit about what is really the truth. During quarantine I was stuck about 2 months at my parents house and had basically 24h news cycle on TV. It is funny to see both national and international news to 'mock' Trump for something, and actually say nice things about other countries that did exactly the same. For example, when US stopped flights from china and then europe, news anchors were calling him everything from racist to idiot, when european countries did, they were smart to try and prevent the spread. [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-germany-curevac/ https://www.politico.eu/article/trump-coronavirus-vaccine-ge...

rapsey 6y ago

> Estimates are that China is 10 years away to be able to build chips domestically that can compete with TSMC. 10 years away from making todays chips? That means they are extremely far off. 10 years away from competing with what TSMC is putting out in 10 years? That would mean their pace of development would be much faster. Putting any kind of accurate prediction on that is absurd.