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I rejected a Google offer in 2012, and they've been bothering me ever since. They seemed really surprised that I didn't feel all warm and fuzzy about their low

by cbanek 6y ago

I rejected a Google offer in 2012, and they've been bothering me ever since. They seemed really surprised that I didn't feel all warm and fuzzy about their lowball offer. I ended up going to Blizzard and then SpaceX, and I don't regret anything. My big thing is that while the money might have been better at a FAANG, I've done a lot more interesting work I can talk about (and some I can't). But at Google, and Microsoft where I worked for about 10 years, there are frankly so many people (many quite talented) that it's hard to get something interesting or useful to work on. It's just a lot of politics and empire building. Also, the mobility especially for women is pretty bad. We always joked the best way to get a raise was to leave and come back. It was funny because it was so true.

tdeck 6y ago
> there are frankly so many people (many quite talented) that it's hard to get something interesting or useful to work on. I always say it's like picking stocks. The chances that you've found a truly great opportunity on a project at Google that hasn't been found by 5 more qualified people aren't nothing, but they're pretty small.
- cbanek 6y ago
  While that's true, and I get the feeling this is coming from the perspective of someone already working at google and shopping around for new projects, this actually brings up another point I hate in particular about Google's process. When you're interviewing you are interviewing for a role but not with a team. So you don't know what you will be working on, and it seemed like when coming in, new hires always seem to get to be put on whatever. I talked to a couple of the managers who wanted to work with me, and it felt like these projects were kind of silly. Talking with people on the inside, it seems like the way to find something useful is to get in, then transfer to a team you want. But why would a qualified person want to go through all this craziness when they can just interview at a different company and meet the people they will work with, and talk about what they are working on? Like a normal job? It seems like Google's process is highly skewed toward "great for Google, shaft the candidate." Which they can do, because everyone wants to work for Google, so why not only hire kool-aid drinkers? And just to bring up the empire building again, if every great opportunity has so many people wanting it, it tends to lead to toxic behavior and culture due to unhealthy competition.
s_r_n 6y ago
Why was the mobility for women bad? Was it sexism?

by cbanek 6y ago

tdeck 6y ago

> there are frankly so many people (many quite talented) that it's hard to get something interesting or useful to work on. I always say it's like picking stocks. The chances that you've found a truly great opportunity on a project at Google that hasn't been found by 5 more qualified people aren't nothing, but they're pretty small.

cbanek 6y ago
While that's true, and I get the feeling this is coming from the perspective of someone already working at google and shopping around for new projects, this actually brings up another point I hate in particular about Google's process. When you're interviewing you are interviewing for a role but not with a team. So you don't know what you will be working on, and it seemed like when coming in, new hires always seem to get to be put on whatever. I talked to a couple of the managers who wanted to work with me, and it felt like these projects were kind of silly. Talking with people on the inside, it seems like the way to find something useful is to get in, then transfer to a team you want. But why would a qualified person want to go through all this craziness when they can just interview at a different company and meet the people they will work with, and talk about what they are working on? Like a normal job? It seems like Google's process is highly skewed toward "great for Google, shaft the candidate." Which they can do, because everyone wants to work for Google, so why not only hire kool-aid drinkers? And just to bring up the empire building again, if every great opportunity has so many people wanting it, it tends to lead to toxic behavior and culture due to unhealthy competition.

s_r_n 6y ago

Why was the mobility for women bad? Was it sexism?