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> Compared to how average people lived 500 years ago it will most likely be quite a step up. What about the clear regressions we’re seeing in quality of life f

> Compared to how average people lived 500 years ago it will most likely be quite a step up. What about the clear regressions we’re seeing in quality of life for poor communities in America? Flint, MI hasn’t had clean drinking water for several years now. The quality of aggregate healthcare in states like Texas is being compared to countries like Russia. Access to affordable healthcare is a major issue for millions of Americans today. Nobody cares that life will be better than it was 500 years ago, people care that it’s worse than it was 40 years ago, and wealth inequality is major driver of this decline in quality of life.

1bc29b36f623ba8 6y ago
> people care that it’s worse than it was 40 years ago Agreed. And since we're currently in an unprecedentedly long period of prosperity it's only a matter of time before some people will be taking quite a few steps back. My largest worry is that society will simply cease to have a purpose for some groups of people, while still preventing those people from trying another path. In the past such situations usually triggered large migrations of people, but at the moment, there isn't really anywhere for them to go. It's a situation that needs to be resolved within the next 10-20 years if we want to avoid civil unrest in the future.
luckylion 6y ago
> Nobody cares that life will be better than it was 500 years ago, people care that it’s worse than it was 40 years ago, and wealth inequality is major driver of this decline in quality of life. It's not worse than 40 years ago, it's worse than 5 years ago, but short intervals aren't that good in predicting larger trends. Flint, MI seems to be a unique issue, as far as I'm aware, it's an outlier and not the rule in the US.
- save_ferris 6y ago
  > Flint, MI seems to be a unique issue As many as 20% of Americans have been exposed to unsafe drinking water at least once in the past decade[0], Flint is in no way an outlier. The cost to upgrade old pipe systems is completely out of reach for poor communities throughout America. Between the flight of manufacturing overseas hollowing out jobs in cities from the Northeast all the way through the Midwest and Southern US and the introduction of the private equity model, life is indeed worse for millions of Americans. Just look at the political climate we’re currently in, that anger is coming from a very real place. Spend some time in Detroit or the Rust Belt, it’s a profoundly sad experience. 0: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/14/63-million-americans-exposed-unsafe-drinking-water/564278001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/14/63-million-am...
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Oh, I wasn't aware of the water delivery systems being too old in that many counties, though it does say "potentially unsafe", e.g. one incident was "not building a cover for one of its water reservoirs". Still, it's obviously a problem that's going to cost a lot of money. I don't know how good it was in rural towns 40 years ago, though. Detroit was certainly doing better, but I'd also assume that testing and requirements have changed since then, so you might still have a similar quality today, but it's not considered safe today. Whether that's responsible for the political climate, I don't know. We've seen lots of changes in Europe as well and we don't face infrastructure issues of that magnitude and our dying industries are a bit more spread out over the country, so you get fewer pockets of absolute desperation.
  - tasuki 6y ago
    Not long ago, 90% of humans were exposed to unsafe drinking water every day. 20% of Americans exposed at least once in the past decade does not sound too bad. Does that include people drinking from streams while hiking?

1bc29b36f623ba8 6y ago

> people care that it’s worse than it was 40 years ago Agreed. And since we're currently in an unprecedentedly long period of prosperity it's only a matter of time before some people will be taking quite a few steps back. My largest worry is that society will simply cease to have a purpose for some groups of people, while still preventing those people from trying another path. In the past such situations usually triggered large migrations of people, but at the moment, there isn't really anywhere for them to go. It's a situation that needs to be resolved within the next 10-20 years if we want to avoid civil unrest in the future.

luckylion 6y ago

> Nobody cares that life will be better than it was 500 years ago, people care that it’s worse than it was 40 years ago, and wealth inequality is major driver of this decline in quality of life. It's not worse than 40 years ago, it's worse than 5 years ago, but short intervals aren't that good in predicting larger trends. Flint, MI seems to be a unique issue, as far as I'm aware, it's an outlier and not the rule in the US.

save_ferris 6y ago
> Flint, MI seems to be a unique issue As many as 20% of Americans have been exposed to unsafe drinking water at least once in the past decade[0], Flint is in no way an outlier. The cost to upgrade old pipe systems is completely out of reach for poor communities throughout America. Between the flight of manufacturing overseas hollowing out jobs in cities from the Northeast all the way through the Midwest and Southern US and the introduction of the private equity model, life is indeed worse for millions of Americans. Just look at the political climate we’re currently in, that anger is coming from a very real place. Spend some time in Detroit or the Rust Belt, it’s a profoundly sad experience. 0: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/14/63-million-americans-exposed-unsafe-drinking-water/564278001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/14/63-million-am...
- luckylion 6y ago
  Oh, I wasn't aware of the water delivery systems being too old in that many counties, though it does say "potentially unsafe", e.g. one incident was "not building a cover for one of its water reservoirs". Still, it's obviously a problem that's going to cost a lot of money. I don't know how good it was in rural towns 40 years ago, though. Detroit was certainly doing better, but I'd also assume that testing and requirements have changed since then, so you might still have a similar quality today, but it's not considered safe today. Whether that's responsible for the political climate, I don't know. We've seen lots of changes in Europe as well and we don't face infrastructure issues of that magnitude and our dying industries are a bit more spread out over the country, so you get fewer pockets of absolute desperation.
- tasuki 6y ago
  Not long ago, 90% of humans were exposed to unsafe drinking water every day. 20% of Americans exposed at least once in the past decade does not sound too bad. Does that include people drinking from streams while hiking?