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Why would I want to make any attempt to justify the hypothetical scenarios that you invent? The scenario of people being denied unemployment for refusing to ret

Why would I want to make any attempt to justify the hypothetical scenarios that you invent? The scenario of people being denied unemployment for refusing to return to work is a hypothetical scenario that you invented. You have presented no evidence that this has occurred. The idea that CA EDD is not providing safe working environments is another hypothetical scenario that you invented and have provided no evidence for. Your hypothetical statistics are also frankly ridiculous. So far ~0.000813% of California's population have died of COVID-19, which is about the same amount of Californians who died in traffic fatalities in 2018. Does California need to justify not providing unemployment benefits to people who think travelling to work is too dangerous? Most people would think that's ridiculous. Your entire premise is that the standards used by the CA EDD are not sufficient, and that you speculate they're going to increase COVID fatalities by more than an order of magnitude. Yet you can not provide a single reason to justify any of this speculation.

pmiller2 6y ago
My premise is that the state has no right to force people to go back to jobs that are now 3x as dangerous as they were 5 months ago. Again, you seem to be saying the state has this right, and I would like you to justify that belief. Or, would you rather waste more words trying to weasel away from the question?
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  Well there you go making up statistics again. The state of California did not create COVID-19, and it’s not responsible for ensuring that you live your life free from the risk of personal harm. Aside from being an entirely impossible task, it has never been the role of government to reduce your risk of harm to zero. The role of government in this context is generally agreed to be setting minimum standards. The state of California decided those standards could not be met when the outbreak began, and required large numbers of people to remain at home. Those people were entitled to unemployment benefits. It has now decided that in some circumstances it is safe to return to work. If it is safe for you to return to work, according to the standards set by the CA EDD, and you have a place of work to return to, your choice is to return to a safe place of work, or sacrifice your entitlement to unemployment benefits. If you do not have a safe place of work to return to, you don’t have to make any decision at all. If you believe that people are being forced to return to unsafe working environments, then state your case. Because so far the only case you’ve put forward to support that theory is statistics that you literally just made up.

pmiller2 6y ago

My premise is that the state has no right to force people to go back to jobs that are now 3x as dangerous as they were 5 months ago. Again, you seem to be saying the state has this right, and I would like you to justify that belief. Or, would you rather waste more words trying to weasel away from the question?

AmericanChopper 6y ago
Well there you go making up statistics again. The state of California did not create COVID-19, and it’s not responsible for ensuring that you live your life free from the risk of personal harm. Aside from being an entirely impossible task, it has never been the role of government to reduce your risk of harm to zero. The role of government in this context is generally agreed to be setting minimum standards. The state of California decided those standards could not be met when the outbreak began, and required large numbers of people to remain at home. Those people were entitled to unemployment benefits. It has now decided that in some circumstances it is safe to return to work. If it is safe for you to return to work, according to the standards set by the CA EDD, and you have a place of work to return to, your choice is to return to a safe place of work, or sacrifice your entitlement to unemployment benefits. If you do not have a safe place of work to return to, you don’t have to make any decision at all. If you believe that people are being forced to return to unsafe working environments, then state your case. Because so far the only case you’ve put forward to support that theory is statistics that you literally just made up.