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It seems to be a recent cultural development though. It wasn't that long ago that a man or woman would not be seen to have truly come of age until having a fami

It seems to be a recent cultural development though. It wasn't that long ago that a man or woman would not be seen to have truly come of age until having a family of their own, or at least marriage. Tune into any popular media today though and it's all bumbling dad and overworked mum tropes demonizing healthy happy families while our rates of depression and mental illness soar. Funny, that. While the pro-family mindset is still embedded in the subconscious of practically everyone, it has become taboo to acknowledge it openly. There is an exclusive respect afforded (good) parents that fundamentally changes their perception; it signifies a maturity, and a contribution to society that single and childless people can never attain. (And, full disclosure, I say this as an as yet childless young man.) I've seen the way parenthood changes people. Knowing this, you are absolutely right that it is incomprehensible to me how otherwise intelligent and rational people could wish to avoid it. There is nothing more important than family.

friendlybus 6y ago
It's terribly degrading to blame personal life choices on the media, as if there were no other cause. >it has become taboo to acknowledge it openly Do you want to discuss it openly? The politics behind that has immense potential for debate. Fathers and mothers will endlessly tell other adults how to behave and give their own children excuses for not performing to those standards. There are some very famous examples of this. Western society is rapidly becoming more traditional as we eschew modern liberalism and embrace a classical perspective. There's going to be 40 years of cultural building towards the traditional center. Are you going to attribute all your decision making to a cultural movement that flies above you, or do you just reserve that judgement for others?
diehunde 6y ago
> It wasn't that long ago that a man or woman would not be seen to have truly come of age until having a family of their own, or at least marriage Many views in society were different not that long ago. You can't just cherry pick the changes and say some were good or bad without rational arguments. People have more options these days, and there's no rational argument for wanting kids. It's just a biological instinct that just like many others (polygamy, violence) can be avoided because it doesn't make sense in our current times. Also, many people see as a taboo to acknowledge that having kids destroyed dreams or leaves them without the energy to do things they would like to do, so you only hear stories about how amazing it is.
- loxists_locusts 6y ago
  >wanting kids ... doesn't make sense in our current times I don't think you actually believe this. If you really believed society was at this point, you would do everything in your power to reverse it, including war upon and genocide of those who are imposing such conditions on your people. That would be rational. So I don't believe you. You're one of those who thinks he's too smart for kids. In 50 years, you will be dust while some 70-IQ welfare cheat will have dozens of grandchildren. Who's the smart one?

friendlybus 6y ago

It's terribly degrading to blame personal life choices on the media, as if there were no other cause. >it has become taboo to acknowledge it openly Do you want to discuss it openly? The politics behind that has immense potential for debate. Fathers and mothers will endlessly tell other adults how to behave and give their own children excuses for not performing to those standards. There are some very famous examples of this. Western society is rapidly becoming more traditional as we eschew modern liberalism and embrace a classical perspective. There's going to be 40 years of cultural building towards the traditional center. Are you going to attribute all your decision making to a cultural movement that flies above you, or do you just reserve that judgement for others?

diehunde 6y ago

> It wasn't that long ago that a man or woman would not be seen to have truly come of age until having a family of their own, or at least marriage Many views in society were different not that long ago. You can't just cherry pick the changes and say some were good or bad without rational arguments. People have more options these days, and there's no rational argument for wanting kids. It's just a biological instinct that just like many others (polygamy, violence) can be avoided because it doesn't make sense in our current times. Also, many people see as a taboo to acknowledge that having kids destroyed dreams or leaves them without the energy to do things they would like to do, so you only hear stories about how amazing it is.

loxists_locusts 6y ago
>wanting kids ... doesn't make sense in our current times I don't think you actually believe this. If you really believed society was at this point, you would do everything in your power to reverse it, including war upon and genocide of those who are imposing such conditions on your people. That would be rational. So I don't believe you. You're one of those who thinks he's too smart for kids. In 50 years, you will be dust while some 70-IQ welfare cheat will have dozens of grandchildren. Who's the smart one?