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I'm not sure if it's still the case, but I think CS was forced into a 'for-profit' designation for practical reasons: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9633

I'm not sure if it's still the case, but I think CS was forced into a 'for-profit' designation for practical reasons: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9633122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9633122 ... and it doesn't really represent the operation. At the end of the day, moderation and support for membership is needed, particularly for keeping predators out of the system, mechanisms for people who might have fallen prey to them. It is something that requires time and effort. Such operations need guaranteed vigilance on these issues, and aren't easily sustained by the whims of volunteer involvement. It might be that many established members are okay with taking risks. I remember one host I stayed with that talked about hitch-hiking on trucks around Europe to save money, but also how she got drugged once and her money stolen and dumped in the middle of an autobahn, and then another time how she 'talked herself out of' being raped. This sort of risk might be okay for the seasoned couchsurfer, but this might not sit well for newcomers who don't know who they are staying with. Not sure if the situation has changed with CS, and they've become profit-oriented, but it does take some money, from somewhere, to keep things to modern standards. Personally, I would prefer that CS was sustained by those who can afford to by donations, rather than subscription. And I may actually look to bewelcome, or hospitality club if that's still around. (I also used another called 'Trustroots', not sure if that still has a community.) Edit: To that individual with the privilege to down-vote, could you please correct me where I'm wrong with an actual comment?

peterburkimsher 6y ago
Trustroots is being discussed as an alternative, but it doesn't have a reference system. I trust the reference system to keep the platform clear from the safety issues you describe. That's why I think BeWelcome is the best alternative to recommend right now. Servers cost money, and BeWelcome are transparent about that. Having developers to code the site and moderate the forum would be expensive if paid by the hour, but there are willing volunteers. Asking for donations is acceptable, a paywall demanding a subscription is not. Please come over to the BeWelcome forums; I'd like to discuss the possibilities of starting new meetups, and selling merch (t-shirts, hoodies, stickers) to improve the BeWelcome brand so it can bring together the community, lest we scatter. Any financial donation like that should be discussed democratically though, so that's why your input is needed. (I didn't downvote, I think your comment is fair)
- h0l0cube 6y ago
  > Trustroots is being discussed as an alternative, but it doesn't have a reference system I logged in just earlier to have a look, and I see that people do have feedback. I'm not sure if there's anything like 'vouching' that CS used to have. > Having developers to code the site and moderate the forum would be expensive if paid by the hour, but there are willing volunteers. I have been to a festival in Australia (the predecessor to burning man) that is completely volunteer run. It's interesting to be a part of operations and see it work, and fail to some extent, and in meat-space the 'look after each other philosophy' can work when everybody is can watch each other. I'm not sure how that could translate to a platform that has private messaging. I believe CS had a mechanism where communications could be inspected if a complaint was raised. > Asking for donations is acceptable, a paywall demanding a subscription is not. I think you're right about this. The people who I enjoyed the most with CS would probably find this offensive, so I'd be more likely to participate in a platform that was donation-based. My only hesitation is that I lose all my references. > so that's why your input is needed. I'll make an effort.
  - peterburkimsher 6y ago
    I agree that losing references is a big problem. Thanks to GDPR you can request an export. https://www.couchsurfing.com/preferences/privacy https://www.couchsurfing.com/preferences/privacy If that fails, you can also contact me - my account is Taiwan-registered and still has full access. I can save your references, photos, and friends list, but not your private messages.
    - h0l0cube 6y ago
      Ah, I saw that link on the BW forum post and now have my data :) It would be great if the data was signed, and it could be verified with a public key. That way you could have validated references for import into BW. Alas, I see nothing of the sort in the JSON.
      - nicksellen 6y ago

peterburkimsher 6y ago

Trustroots is being discussed as an alternative, but it doesn't have a reference system. I trust the reference system to keep the platform clear from the safety issues you describe. That's why I think BeWelcome is the best alternative to recommend right now. Servers cost money, and BeWelcome are transparent about that. Having developers to code the site and moderate the forum would be expensive if paid by the hour, but there are willing volunteers. Asking for donations is acceptable, a paywall demanding a subscription is not. Please come over to the BeWelcome forums; I'd like to discuss the possibilities of starting new meetups, and selling merch (t-shirts, hoodies, stickers) to improve the BeWelcome brand so it can bring together the community, lest we scatter. Any financial donation like that should be discussed democratically though, so that's why your input is needed. (I didn't downvote, I think your comment is fair)

h0l0cube 6y ago
> Trustroots is being discussed as an alternative, but it doesn't have a reference system I logged in just earlier to have a look, and I see that people do have feedback. I'm not sure if there's anything like 'vouching' that CS used to have. > Having developers to code the site and moderate the forum would be expensive if paid by the hour, but there are willing volunteers. I have been to a festival in Australia (the predecessor to burning man) that is completely volunteer run. It's interesting to be a part of operations and see it work, and fail to some extent, and in meat-space the 'look after each other philosophy' can work when everybody is can watch each other. I'm not sure how that could translate to a platform that has private messaging. I believe CS had a mechanism where communications could be inspected if a complaint was raised. > Asking for donations is acceptable, a paywall demanding a subscription is not. I think you're right about this. The people who I enjoyed the most with CS would probably find this offensive, so I'd be more likely to participate in a platform that was donation-based. My only hesitation is that I lose all my references. > so that's why your input is needed. I'll make an effort.
- peterburkimsher 6y ago
  I agree that losing references is a big problem. Thanks to GDPR you can request an export. https://www.couchsurfing.com/preferences/privacy https://www.couchsurfing.com/preferences/privacy If that fails, you can also contact me - my account is Taiwan-registered and still has full access. I can save your references, photos, and friends list, but not your private messages.
  - h0l0cube 6y ago
    Ah, I saw that link on the BW forum post and now have my data :) It would be great if the data was signed, and it could be verified with a public key. That way you could have validated references for import into BW. Alas, I see nothing of the sort in the JSON.
    - nicksellen 6y ago