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It's unclear that the county was planning to follow this "original" timeline until after public pressure brought about by Elon's tweets. At this point it's imp

It's unclear that the county was planning to follow this "original" timeline until after public pressure brought about by Elon's tweets. At this point it's impossible to tell if that are simply saving face.

gamblor956 6y ago
This is a false narrative. The original timeline was always to reopen certain businesses May 18th, since the first extensions of the lockdowns were to expire on May 15th, and as demonstrated by the entire rest of the state opening up according to that schedule without anyone else throwing a tantrum. Also, the county doesn't need to do anything to save face. They have nothing to prove. The elected officials can always say they were acting on the information of health experts, and the health experts can always point to the CDC, China, and even the re-emerging outbreaks in Wuhan, Italy, and Germany as reasons for not allowing Tesla to restart operations ahead of schedule and before Tesla had demonstrated they were willing to protect their workers.
- pmorici 6y ago
  Certain businesses, it's probable/possible Tesla wasn't initially included in the things they intended to allow. Why would they have gone through the public drama if they felt like they were going to be allowed to open based on their private conversations?
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    It's because Elon is an attention seeking narcissist. Why did he create all the public drama over his cave submarine? It's because he can't help himself.
    - pmorici 6y ago
      He didn't if you go look at the sworn testimony from the trial the diver was the one that initiated that by telling Musk to "Stick His Submarine Where It Hurts".
      - clouddrover 6y ago
        Uh huh. And why did he create all the public drama over "funding secured" costing himself $20 million and Tesla a further $20 million? It's because he can't help himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs
      - Talanes 6y ago
        One of them is the CEO of a a multi-billion dollar company, the other is a diver. These aren't two children on the playground, who "started" it is not relevant.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        The diver told Musk to stick a submarine up his ass. Once. And then he moved on. Musk then publicly called the diver a pedophile, hired a guy to try and find dirt to prove his statement, and then attempted to have the media publish articles calling the diver a pedophile multiple times. And then tried to insinuate that because the diver hadn't told him to stop or sued him, he must be telling the truth. (So of course the diver sued him the next day.)
    - hombre_fatal 6y ago
      Wow, this account exists just to flamebait in Elon/Tesla-related topics. Check the history. This isn't allowed on HN. Get a new obsession.
      - clouddrover 6y ago
        It really doesn't. Don't cry just because someone has a different opinion to you.
      - adjkant 6y ago
        It's 5 year account with 8K karma and other posts besides Tesla if you give anything more than a cursory glance of a few pages, including posts on deep/technical topics. People are allowed to be anti-Elon/Tesla, it does not mean the account is an antagonist. Oh no! Linking to recent and relevant NYT articles on Elon! Flamebait!
        deleted 6y ago
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        cerberusss 6y ago
        Even if you have other posts beside Tesla, the HN guidelines say "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That destroys the curiosity this site exists for." Although constantly criticizing Tesla may not fall under political or ideological battle, it certainly doesn't hold any curiosity.
        clouddrover 6y ago
        Sure it does. Musk's public deterioration is a fascinating case study of a personality's transition from leader of a well-intentioned start up company into a straight up bully. Both his celebrity and the ugly influence of social media really have corrupted him. He has gone wrong and it's sad to see.
      - watwut 6y ago
        But attention seeking narcissist seems accurate description of Elon Musk public behavior.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    Factories were included in the original list.
- watwut 6y ago
  But throwing a tamptrum and making yourself look like you won feels so powerful, so ...
  - sabertoothed 6y ago
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/tantrum https://www.dictionary.com/browse/tantrum
  - neskiredk 6y ago
    Not much different that what you're doing right now ...
    - watwut 6y ago
      Nice try, but no. Criticizing someone is not throwing tantrum, really.
- argonaut 6y ago
  No, Alameda County has always been vague about the dates. As late as Sunday (today/yesterday), Alameda County hedged and did not give an specific date, only saying "early this week" (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/17/sighs-of-relief-and-hope-as-more-bay-area-businesses-prepare-to-reopen/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/17/sighs-of-relief-and-h...) On Friday they said sometime next week (did not specify early or not) (https://www.kron4.com/news/contra-costa-alameda-counties-hold-back-from-reopening/ https://www.kron4.com/news/contra-costa-alameda-counties-hol...). May 8th, they said sometime mid-May (https://abc7news.com/when-california-is-going-to-reopen-stage-2-for-will-coronavirus/6158074/ https://abc7news.com/when-california-is-going-to-reopen-stag...) Finally, at the end of April, Alameda County (and the rest of the Bay Area) extended the lockdowns to expire May 31st, not May 15th, as you stated.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    The first lockdown order was set to expire at the end of April, but the first set of extensions issued in April were to expire May 15th in the Bay Area. Before May 15th they extended the extensions to the end of the month.
    - argonaut 6y ago
      That is simply incorrect: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/press-release-04-29-2020-shelter-in-place-extension.aspx https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/press-release-04-...
Talanes 6y ago
Saving face in this scenario would be imposing punishment on Tesla to show that when they make rules they mean it. This whole thing just reeks of Tesla testing the waters on how far they can push the State/setting up the narrative that they are being treated unfairly here to get other states to make offers to bring Tesla over.

gamblor956 6y ago

This is a false narrative. The original timeline was always to reopen certain businesses May 18th, since the first extensions of the lockdowns were to expire on May 15th, and as demonstrated by the entire rest of the state opening up according to that schedule without anyone else throwing a tantrum. Also, the county doesn't need to do anything to save face. They have nothing to prove. The elected officials can always say they were acting on the information of health experts, and the health experts can always point to the CDC, China, and even the re-emerging outbreaks in Wuhan, Italy, and Germany as reasons for not allowing Tesla to restart operations ahead of schedule and before Tesla had demonstrated they were willing to protect their workers.

pmorici 6y ago
Certain businesses, it's probable/possible Tesla wasn't initially included in the things they intended to allow. Why would they have gone through the public drama if they felt like they were going to be allowed to open based on their private conversations?
- clouddrover 6y ago
  It's because Elon is an attention seeking narcissist. Why did he create all the public drama over his cave submarine? It's because he can't help himself.
  - pmorici 6y ago
    He didn't if you go look at the sworn testimony from the trial the diver was the one that initiated that by telling Musk to "Stick His Submarine Where It Hurts".
    - clouddrover 6y ago
      Uh huh. And why did he create all the public drama over "funding secured" costing himself $20 million and Tesla a further $20 million? It's because he can't help himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzGdoPu9vs
    - Talanes 6y ago
      One of them is the CEO of a a multi-billion dollar company, the other is a diver. These aren't two children on the playground, who "started" it is not relevant.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      The diver told Musk to stick a submarine up his ass. Once. And then he moved on. Musk then publicly called the diver a pedophile, hired a guy to try and find dirt to prove his statement, and then attempted to have the media publish articles calling the diver a pedophile multiple times. And then tried to insinuate that because the diver hadn't told him to stop or sued him, he must be telling the truth. (So of course the diver sued him the next day.)
  - hombre_fatal 6y ago
    Wow, this account exists just to flamebait in Elon/Tesla-related topics. Check the history. This isn't allowed on HN. Get a new obsession.
    - clouddrover 6y ago
      It really doesn't. Don't cry just because someone has a different opinion to you.
    - adjkant 6y ago
      It's 5 year account with 8K karma and other posts besides Tesla if you give anything more than a cursory glance of a few pages, including posts on deep/technical topics. People are allowed to be anti-Elon/Tesla, it does not mean the account is an antagonist. Oh no! Linking to recent and relevant NYT articles on Elon! Flamebait!
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - cerberusss 6y ago
        Even if you have other posts beside Tesla, the HN guidelines say "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That destroys the curiosity this site exists for." Although constantly criticizing Tesla may not fall under political or ideological battle, it certainly doesn't hold any curiosity.
        clouddrover 6y ago
        Sure it does. Musk's public deterioration is a fascinating case study of a personality's transition from leader of a well-intentioned start up company into a straight up bully. Both his celebrity and the ugly influence of social media really have corrupted him. He has gone wrong and it's sad to see.
    - watwut 6y ago
      But attention seeking narcissist seems accurate description of Elon Musk public behavior.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  Factories were included in the original list.
watwut 6y ago
But throwing a tamptrum and making yourself look like you won feels so powerful, so ...
- sabertoothed 6y ago
  https://www.dictionary.com/browse/tantrum https://www.dictionary.com/browse/tantrum
- neskiredk 6y ago
  Not much different that what you're doing right now ...
  - watwut 6y ago
    Nice try, but no. Criticizing someone is not throwing tantrum, really.
argonaut 6y ago
No, Alameda County has always been vague about the dates. As late as Sunday (today/yesterday), Alameda County hedged and did not give an specific date, only saying "early this week" (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/17/sighs-of-relief-and-hope-as-more-bay-area-businesses-prepare-to-reopen/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/17/sighs-of-relief-and-h...) On Friday they said sometime next week (did not specify early or not) (https://www.kron4.com/news/contra-costa-alameda-counties-hold-back-from-reopening/ https://www.kron4.com/news/contra-costa-alameda-counties-hol...). May 8th, they said sometime mid-May (https://abc7news.com/when-california-is-going-to-reopen-stage-2-for-will-coronavirus/6158074/ https://abc7news.com/when-california-is-going-to-reopen-stag...) Finally, at the end of April, Alameda County (and the rest of the Bay Area) extended the lockdowns to expire May 31st, not May 15th, as you stated.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  The first lockdown order was set to expire at the end of April, but the first set of extensions issued in April were to expire May 15th in the Bay Area. Before May 15th they extended the extensions to the end of the month.
  - argonaut 6y ago
    That is simply incorrect: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/press-release-04-29-2020-shelter-in-place-extension.aspx https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/press-release-04-...

Talanes 6y ago

Saving face in this scenario would be imposing punishment on Tesla to show that when they make rules they mean it. This whole thing just reeks of Tesla testing the waters on how far they can push the State/setting up the narrative that they are being treated unfairly here to get other states to make offers to bring Tesla over.