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I'm honestly curious what reaction from "the people" you would expect. Even if I was concerned with the source of the orders, if the measures are perfectly reas

I'm honestly curious what reaction from "the people" you would expect. Even if I was concerned with the source of the orders, if the measures are perfectly reasonable and expected then... should I still defy them? Serious question.

627467 6y ago
I don't know what I expected the people as a whole to do, but I guess I didn't expect such quick consensus and lack of debate/discussion on such complex matter. The people have certainly debated/went up in arms for much lesser matters in the past. I feel there's a wider range of possible reactions between instant compliance to outright defiance. But I don't see many of those in-between reactions. It may be me...
Consultant32452 6y ago
I've been quite surprised at how quickly people went from calling Trump "literally Hitler" or at the very least a Russian puppet/Manchurian candidate to complaining that he didn't come down with a hard enough iron fist and start doing things like declaring martial law to more strictly enforce lockdowns. I think there's some very interesting things going on here psychologically with respect to fear, team sports, and state power.
- licebmi__at__ 6y ago
  Maybe because the critic is not really a contradictory critic once you see the context. It's like complaining that critics of Stalin can't criticize him for both making the people poor, and making some people (the party) richer. Ignoring the context doesn't make you smart.
  - Consultant32452 6y ago
    I'm not ignoring the context at all. If I genuinely believed that someone was evil, I cannot imagine a scenario in which I'd want them to have more control over me. The fact that so many people feel the opposite of me in this particular context is really interesting and hard for me to grasp. I want to be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone is right or wrong. I just find it fascinating.
- SauciestGNU 6y ago
  I don't think many people wanted Trump to declare martial law. Rather, I think people want him to not incite armed protests against governors who do lock down their states, and more importantly would have liked to see a test and trace program put in place by the federal government at some point between December and when we started having a few 9/11's worth of deaths per week.

627467 6y ago

I don't know what I expected the people as a whole to do, but I guess I didn't expect such quick consensus and lack of debate/discussion on such complex matter. The people have certainly debated/went up in arms for much lesser matters in the past. I feel there's a wider range of possible reactions between instant compliance to outright defiance. But I don't see many of those in-between reactions. It may be me...

Consultant32452 6y ago

I've been quite surprised at how quickly people went from calling Trump "literally Hitler" or at the very least a Russian puppet/Manchurian candidate to complaining that he didn't come down with a hard enough iron fist and start doing things like declaring martial law to more strictly enforce lockdowns. I think there's some very interesting things going on here psychologically with respect to fear, team sports, and state power.

licebmi__at__ 6y ago
Maybe because the critic is not really a contradictory critic once you see the context. It's like complaining that critics of Stalin can't criticize him for both making the people poor, and making some people (the party) richer. Ignoring the context doesn't make you smart.
- Consultant32452 6y ago
  I'm not ignoring the context at all. If I genuinely believed that someone was evil, I cannot imagine a scenario in which I'd want them to have more control over me. The fact that so many people feel the opposite of me in this particular context is really interesting and hard for me to grasp. I want to be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone is right or wrong. I just find it fascinating.
SauciestGNU 6y ago
I don't think many people wanted Trump to declare martial law. Rather, I think people want him to not incite armed protests against governors who do lock down their states, and more importantly would have liked to see a test and trace program put in place by the federal government at some point between December and when we started having a few 9/11's worth of deaths per week.