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There are entertainers streaming with appearance-modifier and voice-modifier filters. You can't know you are interviewing the person you think you are. I don't

by im3w1l 6y ago

There are entertainers streaming with appearance-modifier and voice-modifier filters. You can't know you are interviewing the person you think you are. I don't think there is an off-the-shelf product for cheaters, but it's only a question of time. Especially now that I mentioned it.

chrisseaton 6y ago
I think ideally you should know your students well enough to be able to judge whether they're giving you answers which correspond their ability and their own take on the topic. If you've been tutoring them up to this point in the year you should know them pretty well.
- noodlesUK 6y ago
  Yes, you would hope so in smaller, more specialised classes. However, in a ~200+ person class, you just won’t have that kind of relationship with each student. Additionally, this completely breaks the anonymous marking that many institutions strive for.
- dahfizz 6y ago
  I don't know if you have been to college recently, but I had a handful of intro classes with 200+ students. I never spoke to those professors once.
  - jancsika 6y ago
    Those aren't classes. They are class theater. They probably failed even by the simple arithmetic that the time required to make a minimally good faith effort at applying a grading rubric is greater than the time a teaching assistant is paid to "assist" in the grading. Your teaching assistants almost certainly scaled back their time grading your assignments to fit their allotted hours. If any of those intro classes fulfilled a writing credit you can probably start with available undergrad writing credit requirements, figure out how many hours your TA got paid, and look back at the number of students for a given TA to figure out just how much money you and/or your parents lost on the deal.
    - dahfizz 6y ago
      > figure out just how much money you and/or your parents lost on the deal. If you consider college tuition to be the money you pay to be educated, you're definitely right. Personally I think of college as something like a licensing or certification. I learned twice as much at my part time programming job than I did in class (but classes where instrumental in getting me through technical interviews). But, once I had my degree I instantly had multiple 100k+/yr offers in a moderate COL area. For me, that is a good deal (but still a huge hassle).
      - acbart 6y ago
        Sadly, certification is more or less our job now in higher education. Wasn't how the system was designed, and isn't what most faculty think about. But it's really becoming accurate. And I can't do that without proper assessments!
      - jancsika 6y ago
        > If you consider college tuition to be the money you pay to be educated, you're definitely right. If I think of class theater in an education that led me to 100k+/yr, that is a good deal. If I think of class theater in a certification that led me to 100k+/yr, that is a good deal. That it is a good deal doesn't change the the fact that class theater is a shady practice. It's also detrimental. But since we don't have the tech to do speed runs against the versions of ourselves who took non-shady intro classes it can be easy to shrug.

by im3w1l 6y ago

chrisseaton 6y ago

I think ideally you should know your students well enough to be able to judge whether they're giving you answers which correspond their ability and their own take on the topic. If you've been tutoring them up to this point in the year you should know them pretty well.

noodlesUK 6y ago
Yes, you would hope so in smaller, more specialised classes. However, in a ~200+ person class, you just won’t have that kind of relationship with each student. Additionally, this completely breaks the anonymous marking that many institutions strive for.
dahfizz 6y ago
I don't know if you have been to college recently, but I had a handful of intro classes with 200+ students. I never spoke to those professors once.
- jancsika 6y ago
  Those aren't classes. They are class theater. They probably failed even by the simple arithmetic that the time required to make a minimally good faith effort at applying a grading rubric is greater than the time a teaching assistant is paid to "assist" in the grading. Your teaching assistants almost certainly scaled back their time grading your assignments to fit their allotted hours. If any of those intro classes fulfilled a writing credit you can probably start with available undergrad writing credit requirements, figure out how many hours your TA got paid, and look back at the number of students for a given TA to figure out just how much money you and/or your parents lost on the deal.
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    > figure out just how much money you and/or your parents lost on the deal. If you consider college tuition to be the money you pay to be educated, you're definitely right. Personally I think of college as something like a licensing or certification. I learned twice as much at my part time programming job than I did in class (but classes where instrumental in getting me through technical interviews). But, once I had my degree I instantly had multiple 100k+/yr offers in a moderate COL area. For me, that is a good deal (but still a huge hassle).
    - acbart 6y ago
      Sadly, certification is more or less our job now in higher education. Wasn't how the system was designed, and isn't what most faculty think about. But it's really becoming accurate. And I can't do that without proper assessments!
    - jancsika 6y ago
      > If you consider college tuition to be the money you pay to be educated, you're definitely right. If I think of class theater in an education that led me to 100k+/yr, that is a good deal. If I think of class theater in a certification that led me to 100k+/yr, that is a good deal. That it is a good deal doesn't change the the fact that class theater is a shady practice. It's also detrimental. But since we don't have the tech to do speed runs against the versions of ourselves who took non-shady intro classes it can be easy to shrug.