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I'm not claiming anything, it's definitional to me. As far as I can tell the Overton window has moved and the definition slipped over the past 10 years. I cons

I'm not claiming anything, it's definitional to me. As far as I can tell the Overton window has moved and the definition slipped over the past 10 years. I consider Microsoft a major contributor to that. The proof of that is in the fact they've shipped it in a mainstream OS. They have included software which does things explicitly counter to what the user wants. That is what malware is. Unless of course you want adverts, in that case, more power to you.

colejohnson66 6y ago
> I'm not claiming anything, it's definitional to me. Really? Because your original comment said this: > Right now, today, they're shipping literal malware on mainstream desktop computers around the world. Oh, and it's not open source either, lol! That certainly sounds like a claim. What’s your definition of malware then?
- esotericn 6y ago
  See above. > They have included software which does things explicitly counter to what the user wants. That is what malware is. Unless of course you want adverts, in that case, more power to you. I also provided a list in the original post.
dgrin91 6y ago
Just to be clear, the "malware" which you are talking about is ads in the Windows system, is that correct? Or is there some other malware you mean as well? Honest question. I really am not sure what specifically you are referring to with your malware claim. Also - > They have included software which does things explicitly counter to what the user wants. That is what malware is. Unless of course you want adverts, in that case, more power to you. Are you saying literally 100% of ads are malware? That is a pretty broad definition, and it means 99+% of websites out there have malware. Google/FB/etc are litteral malware companies. I've got problems with Google/FB/etc, but I think its silly to call them malware companies.
- esotericn 6y ago
  Dude, just read my original post. It's all there in the very next line, it's not like there's anything to explain, I could add more to the list but if you think those things are fine there's no point. I don't want that shit on my machine, my friend's machines, my family's machines, in fact I'd prefer that it didn't exist at all. I think that people who think this stuff is acceptable and implement it are passively acting in evil ways. I don't really care to play some pissant game around how you choose to define a word, but if you must, let us do this logically: A JavaScript tracker created for a reason which serves only to degrade the user's experience is definitionally malware. A standard advertising banner isn't malware because there's no software involved, but in the case of 90+% of ad banners out there, I generally feel comfortable in calling them malicious, sure.

colejohnson66 6y ago

> I'm not claiming anything, it's definitional to me. Really? Because your original comment said this: > Right now, today, they're shipping literal malware on mainstream desktop computers around the world. Oh, and it's not open source either, lol! That certainly sounds like a claim. What’s your definition of malware then?

esotericn 6y ago
See above. > They have included software which does things explicitly counter to what the user wants. That is what malware is. Unless of course you want adverts, in that case, more power to you. I also provided a list in the original post.

dgrin91 6y ago

Just to be clear, the "malware" which you are talking about is ads in the Windows system, is that correct? Or is there some other malware you mean as well? Honest question. I really am not sure what specifically you are referring to with your malware claim. Also - > They have included software which does things explicitly counter to what the user wants. That is what malware is. Unless of course you want adverts, in that case, more power to you. Are you saying literally 100% of ads are malware? That is a pretty broad definition, and it means 99+% of websites out there have malware. Google/FB/etc are litteral malware companies. I've got problems with Google/FB/etc, but I think its silly to call them malware companies.

esotericn 6y ago
Dude, just read my original post. It's all there in the very next line, it's not like there's anything to explain, I could add more to the list but if you think those things are fine there's no point. I don't want that shit on my machine, my friend's machines, my family's machines, in fact I'd prefer that it didn't exist at all. I think that people who think this stuff is acceptable and implement it are passively acting in evil ways. I don't really care to play some pissant game around how you choose to define a word, but if you must, let us do this logically: A JavaScript tracker created for a reason which serves only to degrade the user's experience is definitionally malware. A standard advertising banner isn't malware because there's no software involved, but in the case of 90+% of ad banners out there, I generally feel comfortable in calling them malicious, sure.