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> "Voluntary to get, required for some benefits" is another way to say "involuntary". What is citizenship but a collection of benefits? This is pretty clearly
by arcticfox 6y ago
> "Voluntary to get, required for some benefits" is another way to say "involuntary". What is citizenship but a collection of benefits?
This is pretty clearly a poor extrapolation. For example, Global Entry. Is signing up for Global Entry involuntary? It is voluntary to get, required for some benefits.
- jrockway 6y agoYou're not getting any intrinsic benefits. If you are a US citizen, you are allowed to return to the US after international travel. Global Entry doesn't change any of that. On average, it does make returning easier, which is nice... but the machines could be out of order, or you could be flagged for questioning in the usual manner, etc.
- akerl_ 6y agoIf “making something easier” doesn’t count as a “benefit”, I think that maybe there’s a fundamental disagreement about what it means for something to be beneficial. Global Entry is pretty clearly beneficial for the user, as part of the border control experience. Whether having things like Global Entry is beneficial to society is, as `tptacek points on parallel to your comment, a very different question.
- tptacek 6y agoGlobal Entry is deeply problematic for exactly this reason, and all it does is speed you through a line at an airport!