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The idea that this is "history" is PR, and not even particularly good PR at that. Right now, today, they're shipping literal malware on mainstream desktop comp
by esotericn 6y ago
The idea that this is "history" is PR, and not even particularly good PR at that.
Right now, today, they're shipping literal malware on mainstream desktop computers around the world. Oh, and it's not open source either, lol!
The bloody operating system has targeted advertisements, intentionally unremovable (or at least very difficult to remove) components, telemetry, a keylogger-esque search function, the list goes on.
It pains me to see people shill Microsoft as if they've "turned a corner". All they're doing is the minimum possible in order to be taken seriously by some particularly easily swayed subset of developers whilst simultaneously ratcheting up the pain on the main product that they're known globally for.
- soared 6y ago> shipping literal malware on mainstream desktop computers Source? None of the things you listed below are /literal malware/.
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- esotericn 6y agoI've just installed advertising on your eyeballs, don't worry, it's an improvement for you.
- colejohnson66 6y agoIf you’re going to claim something is malware, the onus is on you to prove it.
- esotericn 6y agoI'm not claiming anything, it's definitional to me. As far as I can tell the Overton window has moved and the definition slipped over the past 10 years. I consider Microsoft a major contributor to that. The proof of that is in the fact they've shipped it in a mainstream OS. They have included software which does things explicitly counter to what the user wants. That is what malware is. Unless of course you want adverts, in that case, more power to you.
- colejohnson66 6y ago> I'm not claiming anything, it's definitional to me. Really? Because your original comment said this: > Right now, today, they're shipping literal malware on mainstream desktop computers around the world. Oh, and it's not open source either, lol! That certainly sounds like a claim. What’s your definition of malware then?
- esotericn 6y agoSee above. > They have included software which does things explicitly counter to what the user wants. That is what malware is. Unless of course you want adverts, in that case, more power to you. I also provided a list in the original post.
- dgrin91 6y agoJust to be clear, the "malware" which you are talking about is ads in the Windows system, is that correct? Or is there some other malware you mean as well? Honest question. I really am not sure what specifically you are referring to with your malware claim. Also - > They have included software which does things explicitly counter to what the user wants. That is what malware is. Unless of course you want adverts, in that case, more power to you. Are you saying literally 100% of ads are malware? That is a pretty broad definition, and it means 99+% of websites out there have malware. Google/FB/etc are litteral malware companies. I've got problems with Google/FB/etc, but I think its silly to call them malware companies.
- esotericn 6y agoDude, just read my original post. It's all there in the very next line, it's not like there's anything to explain, I could add more to the list but if you think those things are fine there's no point. I don't want that shit on my machine, my friend's machines, my family's machines, in fact I'd prefer that it didn't exist at all. I think that people who think this stuff is acceptable and implement it are passively acting in evil ways. I don't really care to play some pissant game around how you choose to define a word, but if you must, let us do this logically: A JavaScript tracker created for a reason which serves only to degrade the user's experience is definitionally malware. A standard advertising banner isn't malware because there's no software involved, but in the case of 90+% of ad banners out there, I generally feel comfortable in calling them malicious, sure.
- fsflover 6y agohttps://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
- robinson7d 6y agoIt’s arguably adware, since users paid for the OS and then advertisements have appeared in new places since Windows 10’s initial release. E.g. some ads appeared for many people in the file explorer a few years ago. Adware is considered a form of malware. Not the worst type of malware by any means but still “literal”. GNU hosts a list as well; though I believe many items on it to be a stretch, I feel at least a few are justifiable. https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
- ddevault 6y agoThis is only true by a rather boot-licking (or self-serving?) definition of malware. If the user doesn't want it, and it's forced on them anyway, it's malware.
- thomaskcr 6y agoThis is a picture from a Windows 10 Enterprise domain joined machine with a whole set of GPOs we try to keep up with this type of stuff: https://imgur.com/a/M5d9MVt https://imgur.com/a/M5d9MVt That's a lot of space devoted to just old versions of games. I understand malware has a specific definition, but I don't know what's in these folders and we obviously didn't want them on user machines. Deleting them required a whole dance around SYSTEM access, it was insane. Enterprise.
- soared 6y agoYeah that sounds like a big headache and pretty bad behavior by ms. Strictly not malware though.
- outside1234 6y agoI see you haven't turned the corner either.
- m463 6y agoRMS once said "proprietary software subjugates users". At the time I thought the statement was a little over-the-top. Now with every bit of windows software hooked into the network, I see it a little differently. (same with basically all phone software)