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I agree, and I'm even fairly liberal. Showing proof of who you are, to be allowed to vote in the most fundamental process in a democracy is not a dumb idea.
by supernova87a 6y ago
I agree, and I'm even fairly liberal. Showing proof of who you are, to be allowed to vote in the most fundamental process in a democracy is not a dumb idea. Why would you not want the most rudimentary election security?
The only reason that it's a ridiculous situation here is that (and you can debate whether widespread or not, or believed or not) some people use it as a means to make voting difficult for others. And we tolerate / compromise on the situation because we have no good (or widely believed) stats to document the frequency of the risks.
My question there is, why don't we simply make getting an ID easier for everyone and this will no longer be an issue. Take one year to have roaming DMV offices, voter ID, licensing stations, and take care of this stupid problem once and for all. No more arguments or patches to look the other way.
And I will say also, it's a fucking sad situation when the people you want to be voting can't get it together in their lives to get an ID renewed once every 5 years. You don't even have to go in person in most cases. If that's the issue, I don't think you would've gotten their vote even if they had ID.
- mullen 6y ago> I agree, and I'm even fairly liberal. Showing proof of who you are, to be allowed to vote in the most fundamental process in a democracy is not a dumb idea. Why would you not want the most rudimentary election security? Because in America, voter fraud is so low that it is a non-issue. Personally, the only cases I know of are people committing voter fraud to prove how easy voter fraud is. The other point against Voter ID is that it is also a tool to keep people certain people from voting. Voter ID is just really a tool to keep "those people" from voting.
- supernova87a 6y agoSo why is it that in other advanced countries that also don't have much voter fraud, they feel they should have some kind of ID as a requirement to vote? Why is that unreasonable?
- TylerE 6y agoBecause the constitution bans any form of poll tax. Requiring someone to got out and get an ID is considered a poll tax. Even if the ID itself is free, there is still time and travel involved.
- mbesto 6y agoI pay taxes that pays for all of the expenses required to administer voting administration (booths, paper, pens, etc). Why can't our taxes fund the administration required for people to get IDs?
- supernova87a 6y agoBy that faulty logic, just going to vote incurs a tax because of time and travel involved.
- TylerE 6y agoHow is faulty logic? It’s well established law. It’s been to the Supreme Court! See Harper v Virgina Board of Elections
- BurningFrog 6y agoBecause by that logic, voting itself is a poll tax.