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Do you also include managed kubernetes offerings, such as from Digital Ocean, in that assessment?

by balfirevic 6y ago

blinkingled 6y ago
Not the OP but yes if cost is a factor. As far as I know no managed K8S offerings are cheap.
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- watermelon0 6y ago
  - DigitalOcean offers free clusters. - Azure (still?) offers free clusters. - GCP offers one free single-zone cluster. If you need more than DO can offer in terms of compute instances, you can probably afford GKE/EKS, which is around 75$/month. --- Running highly-available control plane (K8s masters & etcd) by yourself is NOT cheaper than using EKS. To achive high availability, EKS runs 3 masters and 3 etcd instances, in different availability zones. Provisioning 3 t3.medium instances (4 GB of memory and 2 CPUs) would cost the same as a completely managed EKS. Not to mention the manual work you need to setup, maintain and upgrade such instances.
speedgoose 6y ago
Oh yes. Managed kubernetes is full of various issues. Some major cloud providers sell very poor managed kubernetes. If someone knows about a reliable managed kubernetes, please let me know.
- politelemon 6y ago
  Can you elaborate on the cloud providers selling poorly managed k8s - are they all problematic? I have no experience with cloud provided k8s.
jcrawfordor 6y ago
Honestly my experience has been that managed k8s is often more complicated from a developer perspective than just k8s - sure, you don't have to deal with setting it up, but you have to figure out how all the 'management' and provider-specific features work, and they often seem pretty clumsily integrated.
- geerlingguy 6y ago
  And in many cases features that would help your use case aren't enabled on that platform, or are in a release that's still a year or two from being supported on that platform... I'm looking at you, EKS.
- GordonS 6y ago
  I really wish cloud providers would offer a managed Docker Swarm service - it's so much simpler than k8s, but not having to manage the underlying machines would be great. I might be remembering wrongly, but I think Azure actually used to offer multiple managed orchestration platforms, including DCOS and Swarm, before they went all-in on k8s.

Do you also include managed kubernetes offerings, such as from Digital Ocean, in that assessment?

blinkingled 6y ago

Not the OP but yes if cost is a factor. As far as I know no managed K8S offerings are cheap.

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watermelon0 6y ago
- DigitalOcean offers free clusters. - Azure (still?) offers free clusters. - GCP offers one free single-zone cluster. If you need more than DO can offer in terms of compute instances, you can probably afford GKE/EKS, which is around 75$/month. --- Running highly-available control plane (K8s masters & etcd) by yourself is NOT cheaper than using EKS. To achive high availability, EKS runs 3 masters and 3 etcd instances, in different availability zones. Provisioning 3 t3.medium instances (4 GB of memory and 2 CPUs) would cost the same as a completely managed EKS. Not to mention the manual work you need to setup, maintain and upgrade such instances.

speedgoose 6y ago

Oh yes. Managed kubernetes is full of various issues. Some major cloud providers sell very poor managed kubernetes. If someone knows about a reliable managed kubernetes, please let me know.

politelemon 6y ago
Can you elaborate on the cloud providers selling poorly managed k8s - are they all problematic? I have no experience with cloud provided k8s.

jcrawfordor 6y ago

Honestly my experience has been that managed k8s is often more complicated from a developer perspective than just k8s - sure, you don't have to deal with setting it up, but you have to figure out how all the 'management' and provider-specific features work, and they often seem pretty clumsily integrated.

geerlingguy 6y ago
And in many cases features that would help your use case aren't enabled on that platform, or are in a release that's still a year or two from being supported on that platform... I'm looking at you, EKS.
GordonS 6y ago
I really wish cloud providers would offer a managed Docker Swarm service - it's so much simpler than k8s, but not having to manage the underlying machines would be great. I might be remembering wrongly, but I think Azure actually used to offer multiple managed orchestration platforms, including DCOS and Swarm, before they went all-in on k8s.