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> and we have multiple examples of cities or areas that decided to open up too early getting slammed by a second wave of infections (See: Hokkaido, Texas) Wher

> and we have multiple examples of cities or areas that decided to open up too early getting slammed by a second wave of infections (See: Hokkaido, Texas) Where are you seeing that Texas is getting "slammed by a second wave"? I'm looking at Worldometers, and their daily new cases looks relatively flat. Apparently there was a big jump yesterday, but the state is claiming that correlates with a much higher rate of testing. (This is part of why we should look at the 7 day average, not just the day by day numbers.) If their rate does happen to be increasing, what makes that a second wave, vs them just not hitting the peak of their first wave yet?

fzeroracer 6y ago
The state has been lying and politicizing the coronavirus problem since the beginning and in general they've been inflating the # of tests done in order to justify reopening the state. A great example of this politicking is that they've been fighting tooth and nail to prevent cities and counties from implementing their own coronavirus measures. As for the second wave, the fact that we've hit a large jump in cases is specifically what I'm talking about. It does not bode well for the next few weeks, especially because there has been little to no effort from the state to actually implement measures to ensure that we keep the curve flat. Local health officials have also been raising the alarm on both our lack of testing infrastructure and the idea that a second wave is already occurring.
- chasd00 6y ago
  you're going to have to back that up with at least something. https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/ https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronaviru...
  - Trasmatta 6y ago
    Yeah, I've seen so many "in two more weeks things are going to be much worse" predictions that haven't come true in the past 6 weeks or so that I've mostly started ignoring them (unless they're backed by some level of evidence).
- catalogia 6y ago
  > The state has been lying and politicizing [...] They're not hiding bodies, so the excess fatality rate would reveal any lies they're telling.
  - matthewdgreen 6y ago
    Deaths from COVID-19 can take weeks from the initial infection. I'm not disputing or supporting anything else in this thread, but "there aren't a lot of extra deaths" doesn't really offer much data either way. Maybe in a few weeks.
    - catalogia 6y ago
      I've been hearing this for weeks.
      - matthewdgreen 6y ago
        Texas has only been re-opened for a couple of weeks, so I don't know what you're talking about. If you're talking about the epidemic more generally: the virus has killed nearly 90,000 Americans in less than eight weeks, so it's not like it's let anyone down in the 'killing loads of people in a short period of time' department.

fzeroracer 6y ago

The state has been lying and politicizing the coronavirus problem since the beginning and in general they've been inflating the # of tests done in order to justify reopening the state. A great example of this politicking is that they've been fighting tooth and nail to prevent cities and counties from implementing their own coronavirus measures. As for the second wave, the fact that we've hit a large jump in cases is specifically what I'm talking about. It does not bode well for the next few weeks, especially because there has been little to no effort from the state to actually implement measures to ensure that we keep the curve flat. Local health officials have also been raising the alarm on both our lack of testing infrastructure and the idea that a second wave is already occurring.

chasd00 6y ago
you're going to have to back that up with at least something. https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/ https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronaviru...
- Trasmatta 6y ago
  Yeah, I've seen so many "in two more weeks things are going to be much worse" predictions that haven't come true in the past 6 weeks or so that I've mostly started ignoring them (unless they're backed by some level of evidence).
catalogia 6y ago
> The state has been lying and politicizing [...] They're not hiding bodies, so the excess fatality rate would reveal any lies they're telling.
- matthewdgreen 6y ago
  Deaths from COVID-19 can take weeks from the initial infection. I'm not disputing or supporting anything else in this thread, but "there aren't a lot of extra deaths" doesn't really offer much data either way. Maybe in a few weeks.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    I've been hearing this for weeks.
    - matthewdgreen 6y ago
      Texas has only been re-opened for a couple of weeks, so I don't know what you're talking about. If you're talking about the epidemic more generally: the virus has killed nearly 90,000 Americans in less than eight weeks, so it's not like it's let anyone down in the 'killing loads of people in a short period of time' department.