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I have been to hundreds of events in Detroit. I know the type you are talking about, I am not them, I love Detroit. The unfortunate truth is there are 20,000 c

by thomk 6y ago

I have been to hundreds of events in Detroit. I know the type you are talking about, I am not them, I love Detroit. The unfortunate truth is there are 20,000 cities in the US and in 2018 Detroit ranked #3 for murder. Detroit has more murders than New York, Los Angeles and Chicago combined. You live in a dangerous city and it's not because I said so. My guess is you guys are new to the city and you live in a nice pocket. That's great for the city, thank you. I used to 'run around' the city in the 80s when it was twice as violent and I too was never harassed because I too could afford to live and play in the nice areas. I'm not talking about me and you.

modriano 6y ago
Detroit absolutely doesn't have more homicides than Chicago, and I have no idea how you could have come to believe that. Detroit hasn't had more than 400 homicides in a year since 2007. Chicago hasn't had under 500 homicides per year since 2014 (over 800 in 2016), and we (I'm a homicide researcher in Chicago who grew up in Detroit, btw) haven't had fewer than 400 homicides per year since the 1960's. If you meant per-capita, Detroit does have more homicides per capita than Chicago, LA, or NYC, but combining per-capita numbers doesn't really make sense/is misleading.
- rossvor 6y ago
  I have no opinion on Detroit or crime rates in general. Just want to disagree that combining per-capita numbers is in some way misleading. Makes perfect sense for me and that is how I read the parent's comment -- combined and per-capita. Meant to illustrate the degree of the problem compared to other cities.
  - fhars 6y ago
    Adding per capita numbers makes absolutely no sense at all. None whatsoever.
    - rossvor 6y ago
      It works the same way as any other time a sentence like "A has a greater value in X than B, C and D combined" appears -- to illustrate that A is significantly larger compared to its siblings in the set and its usually meant to be a surprising fact. X can be a total, per capita or some other rate or whatever, it will depend on the context, as long as it's the same, it doesn't the affect the intent of the sentence. To expand it further. I assume you don't consider below being misleading somehow: Mary gets paid 90k per annum -- which is more than what both Jane and Jill receive per annum combined. It's the same principle.
      - jstanley 6y ago
        If it's per capita, can't you just list every city that has a lower per-capita rate and claim that it is higher than all of them "combined"? > Mary gets paid 90k per annum -- which is more than what both Jane and Jill receive per annum combined. It's the same principle. This is misleading if all you're saying is that both Jane and Jill get paid less than 90k.
        hobofan 6y ago
        > This is misleading if all you're saying is that both Jane and Jill get paid less than 90k. But nobody is saying that. That is a totally normal statement to make. E.g. 90k > (20k + 30k) It works just as well for the murder rate per 100k residents: 39.80 > (23.14 + 7.01 + 3.39) Detroit > (Chicago + LA + NYC)
        jstanley 6y ago
        Are you saying that if Chicago,LA,NYC have death rates of 23.14,7.01,3.39 per 100k, then the combined death rate of Chicago, LA, and NYC is 23.14 + 7.01 + 3.39 = 33.54 per 100k? If that's what you're saying, then you're wrong, because the combined death rate of 3 cities would be the number of deaths across 3 cities divided by the number of people across 3 cities. It would not be the number of deaths per 100k in each city added together! If that's not what you're saying, then I don't understand how it can be meaningful to compare those figures.
  - modriano 6y ago
    For 2018, did Detroit have more homicides per capita than Los Angeles and St. Louis combined? - St. Louis: 186 homicides, 302K residents, ~62 homs/100K pop - Los Angeles: 259 homicides, 3.99M residents, ~6.5 homs/100K pop - Detroit: 261 homicides, 672K residents, ~38.8 homs/100K pop - STL + LA: 445 homicides, 4.292M residents, ~10.4 homs/100K pop. Does Detroit have more homicides per capita than Los Angeles and St. Louis combined? Yeah, technically. Are you more likely to be murdered in Los Angeles and St. Louis combined? That's meaningless, as Los Angeles and St. Louis is not a relevant unit to that question.
- rumanator 6y ago
  > Detroit absolutely doesn't have more homicides than Chicago A quick search resulted in these statistics from 215: https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us-cities-in-2015/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us... * Detroit is 3rd on the list with 38.88 murders per 100.000 residents * Chicago is 9th on the list with 20.7 per 100.000 residents. Therefore at least according to this data Detroit's homicide rate is roughly twice that of Chicago.
  - dtwest 6y ago
    The original comment said "Detroit has more murders than New York, Los Angeles and Chicago combined". They also said "Detroit, the city with the most violent crime per capita in the US" These statements are false. Chicago has more murders than Detroit. St. Louis has a higher murder rate than Detroit. The person you are commenting on is correct.
monadic2 6y ago
I’d think the metric to look at with the signifier “anymore” would be crime in Detroit over time as there has been a massive drop over the years. I don’t read any implied comparison with other cities.

by thomk 6y ago

modriano 6y ago

Detroit absolutely doesn't have more homicides than Chicago, and I have no idea how you could have come to believe that. Detroit hasn't had more than 400 homicides in a year since 2007. Chicago hasn't had under 500 homicides per year since 2014 (over 800 in 2016), and we (I'm a homicide researcher in Chicago who grew up in Detroit, btw) haven't had fewer than 400 homicides per year since the 1960's. If you meant per-capita, Detroit does have more homicides per capita than Chicago, LA, or NYC, but combining per-capita numbers doesn't really make sense/is misleading.

rossvor 6y ago
I have no opinion on Detroit or crime rates in general. Just want to disagree that combining per-capita numbers is in some way misleading. Makes perfect sense for me and that is how I read the parent's comment -- combined and per-capita. Meant to illustrate the degree of the problem compared to other cities.
- fhars 6y ago
  Adding per capita numbers makes absolutely no sense at all. None whatsoever.
  - rossvor 6y ago
    It works the same way as any other time a sentence like "A has a greater value in X than B, C and D combined" appears -- to illustrate that A is significantly larger compared to its siblings in the set and its usually meant to be a surprising fact. X can be a total, per capita or some other rate or whatever, it will depend on the context, as long as it's the same, it doesn't the affect the intent of the sentence. To expand it further. I assume you don't consider below being misleading somehow: Mary gets paid 90k per annum -- which is more than what both Jane and Jill receive per annum combined. It's the same principle.
    - jstanley 6y ago
      If it's per capita, can't you just list every city that has a lower per-capita rate and claim that it is higher than all of them "combined"? > Mary gets paid 90k per annum -- which is more than what both Jane and Jill receive per annum combined. It's the same principle. This is misleading if all you're saying is that both Jane and Jill get paid less than 90k.
      - hobofan 6y ago
        > This is misleading if all you're saying is that both Jane and Jill get paid less than 90k. But nobody is saying that. That is a totally normal statement to make. E.g. 90k > (20k + 30k) It works just as well for the murder rate per 100k residents: 39.80 > (23.14 + 7.01 + 3.39) Detroit > (Chicago + LA + NYC)
        jstanley 6y ago
        Are you saying that if Chicago,LA,NYC have death rates of 23.14,7.01,3.39 per 100k, then the combined death rate of Chicago, LA, and NYC is 23.14 + 7.01 + 3.39 = 33.54 per 100k? If that's what you're saying, then you're wrong, because the combined death rate of 3 cities would be the number of deaths across 3 cities divided by the number of people across 3 cities. It would not be the number of deaths per 100k in each city added together! If that's not what you're saying, then I don't understand how it can be meaningful to compare those figures.
- modriano 6y ago
  For 2018, did Detroit have more homicides per capita than Los Angeles and St. Louis combined? - St. Louis: 186 homicides, 302K residents, ~62 homs/100K pop - Los Angeles: 259 homicides, 3.99M residents, ~6.5 homs/100K pop - Detroit: 261 homicides, 672K residents, ~38.8 homs/100K pop - STL + LA: 445 homicides, 4.292M residents, ~10.4 homs/100K pop. Does Detroit have more homicides per capita than Los Angeles and St. Louis combined? Yeah, technically. Are you more likely to be murdered in Los Angeles and St. Louis combined? That's meaningless, as Los Angeles and St. Louis is not a relevant unit to that question.
rumanator 6y ago
> Detroit absolutely doesn't have more homicides than Chicago A quick search resulted in these statistics from 215: https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us-cities-in-2015/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/718903/murder-rate-in-us... * Detroit is 3rd on the list with 38.88 murders per 100.000 residents * Chicago is 9th on the list with 20.7 per 100.000 residents. Therefore at least according to this data Detroit's homicide rate is roughly twice that of Chicago.
- dtwest 6y ago
  The original comment said "Detroit has more murders than New York, Los Angeles and Chicago combined". They also said "Detroit, the city with the most violent crime per capita in the US" These statements are false. Chicago has more murders than Detroit. St. Louis has a higher murder rate than Detroit. The person you are commenting on is correct.

monadic2 6y ago

I’d think the metric to look at with the signifier “anymore” would be crime in Detroit over time as there has been a massive drop over the years. I don’t read any implied comparison with other cities.