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I live in Alameda County and our new cases have not been dropping for 6+ weeks. Just fluctuating up and down. Yesterday it spiked up a bit though I don't attrib

by pkaye 6y ago

I live in Alameda County and our new cases have not been dropping for 6+ weeks. Just fluctuating up and down. Yesterday it spiked up a bit though I don't attribute it to Tesla. We haven't really run out of hospital capacity but I wonder where this will lead if the Tesla workers start getting sick. A lot of them also commute in from far off as Modesto for the work.

koheripbal 6y ago
You can't shut down the entire economy for a disease with a death rate well under 1%. You need to protect and isolate the vulnerable until a vaccine is ready, and get back to living.
- pkaye 6y ago
  Maybe the compromise is to let they people who willing to take the risk do the jobs with high chance of exposure.
  - koheripbal 6y ago
    The compromise is allowing people and companies to make their own choices about their own well-being and livelihood.
    - clouddrover 6y ago
      When you're dealing with an infectious disease it's not just about your own choices, it's also about how your choices affect others. This is a public health issue. This is not a civil liberties issue. Don't fall for Musk's hypocritical "FREE AMERICA NOW" nonsense.
    - soganess 6y ago
      Choice is compromised because of the pandemic. The imploding job market will cause individuals to make "choices" against their own well being. Hypothetical: 1) Your cash-flow strapped employer, whose CEO has a history of possible SMI and legally questionable behavior, decides he has the bravery to risk lives and free the economy by opening up his factory against the advice of the state. 2) You, a 50 year old assembly line engineer with a history of smoking, are unable to find a new job because of the pandemic. Luckily, from the server farm warmth of its reinforcement-learning heart approximation, your employers "allows" those that can work from home to do so. Unluckily for you, you can't do your job from home, so you go to work against your best judgement. It's either that or be replaced immediately by a younger/healthier person who lost their job weeks ago because their former employer also chose not to plan for a rainy day. Sound more like a bigger mouse trap.
    - masonic 6y ago
      allowing people and companies to make their own choices about their own well-being ... Like Mary Mallon did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
- alphabettsy 6y ago
  There’s no definitive evidence the death rate is well under 1%. The only definitive evidence that exist because of actual test has a death rate at nearly 10% which we also know isn’t incorrect. Regardless 1% is high, as well as the hospitalization rate seems to be quite high and for some reason a lot of people are only focused on death when citing these statistics.
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    COVID-19 death rates are very likely exaggerated: Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minn., a physician in Minnesota posted on his Facebook page on April 15, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000." ... PolitiFact reporter Tom Kertscher wrote, "The dollar amounts Jensen cited are roughly what we found in an analysis published April 7 by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading source of health information." [1] 1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac...

by pkaye 6y ago

koheripbal 6y ago

You can't shut down the entire economy for a disease with a death rate well under 1%. You need to protect and isolate the vulnerable until a vaccine is ready, and get back to living.

pkaye 6y ago
Maybe the compromise is to let they people who willing to take the risk do the jobs with high chance of exposure.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  The compromise is allowing people and companies to make their own choices about their own well-being and livelihood.
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    When you're dealing with an infectious disease it's not just about your own choices, it's also about how your choices affect others. This is a public health issue. This is not a civil liberties issue. Don't fall for Musk's hypocritical "FREE AMERICA NOW" nonsense.
  - soganess 6y ago
    Choice is compromised because of the pandemic. The imploding job market will cause individuals to make "choices" against their own well being. Hypothetical: 1) Your cash-flow strapped employer, whose CEO has a history of possible SMI and legally questionable behavior, decides he has the bravery to risk lives and free the economy by opening up his factory against the advice of the state. 2) You, a 50 year old assembly line engineer with a history of smoking, are unable to find a new job because of the pandemic. Luckily, from the server farm warmth of its reinforcement-learning heart approximation, your employers "allows" those that can work from home to do so. Unluckily for you, you can't do your job from home, so you go to work against your best judgement. It's either that or be replaced immediately by a younger/healthier person who lost their job weeks ago because their former employer also chose not to plan for a rainy day. Sound more like a bigger mouse trap.
  - masonic 6y ago
    allowing people and companies to make their own choices about their own well-being ... Like Mary Mallon did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
alphabettsy 6y ago
There’s no definitive evidence the death rate is well under 1%. The only definitive evidence that exist because of actual test has a death rate at nearly 10% which we also know isn’t incorrect. Regardless 1% is high, as well as the hospitalization rate seems to be quite high and for some reason a lot of people are only focused on death when citing these statistics.
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  COVID-19 death rates are very likely exaggerated: Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minn., a physician in Minnesota posted on his Facebook page on April 15, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000." ... PolitiFact reporter Tom Kertscher wrote, "The dollar amounts Jensen cited are roughly what we found in an analysis published April 7 by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading source of health information." [1] 1. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac...