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So are we going to ban all cars now? Average automobile deaths are ~30k per year. They're non essential. Let's all stop driving. "do whatever it takes to save l

So are we going to ban all cars now? Average automobile deaths are ~30k per year. They're non essential. Let's all stop driving. "do whatever it takes to save lives"

new_realist 6y ago
COVID deaths are near 90K in the US (so far).
- protomyth 6y ago
  [deleted - I didn't mean anything like the reply]
  - KittenInABox 6y ago
    Do you have sources that suicide is being counted as covid deaths?
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  - bsder 6y ago
    Deaths by other causes--flu, pneumonia, clots, strokes, etc. are all being reported as above normal levels. That's a sign that Covid-related cases are likely being undercounted rather than your unsubstantiated assertions of overcounting.
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all2well 6y ago
About ~16k people are murdered every year in the US, however I would assume you think it's worthwhile to try and do something about that
umvi 6y ago
> do whatever it takes to save lives When did this become the norm? It happened sometime in the last decade, this idea that life is the ultimate metric with which to measure the utility of some action. I agree that life is precious and up there in importance, but I do not agree that it is the most important variable to optimize for. There are things more precious than life, such as freedom. Specifically, freedom that can be guaranteed for the next generation. I worry that the "save lives" crusaders will eventually win and everyone will be safely enslaved in a brave new world of a super powerful government that doesn't let you do anything except have sex and do recreational drugs.
- nine_k 6y ago
  This only applies is you speak about your own life. Once you speak about someone else's — no, life is the most precious part you need to preserve. The reason is simple: any material things can be replaced, but a life, once stopped, cannot be reinstated. The trouble with deep economy shutdown, though, is that it becomes a trolley problem: do you want to save some more lives today at the risk of having more people die later because of the consequences? I think this is where the war mentality should kick in: we need to fight and have our commanders risk our lives, so that the other people we care about would live. It's not that bad yet, though, except for the medical personnel.
throwaway45783 6y ago
That's a whataboutism. And actually driving is essential if you live on the west coast. And we should be doing everything we can to make it so that it's not essential, but it turns out that's a deeply political issue.
- new_realist 6y ago
  These cars are not being made for California, but for China. Tesla has adequate inventory for sale in the US.
  - throwaway45783 6y ago
    The comment I was responding to wasn't actually about the cars being made, but just about driving in general.
rajangdavis 6y ago
That's not taking the argument in good faith. Car accidents aren't infectious and furthermore, we don't see 30k deaths in the span of 2 months. I think Musk could have fared better working with the government to make it feasible to work in the Tesla factories and limit exposure and provide a model for other businesses. Instead he just went ahead and has no guarantee that his employees won't be exposed.
- dgzl 6y ago
  Road rage is infectious but I'm not sure why it matters anyway.
miguelmota 6y ago
Your argument is a logical fallacy. Car accidents are not contagious.

So are we going to ban all cars now? Average automobile deaths are ~30k per year. They're non essential. Let's all stop driving. "do whatever it takes to save lives"

new_realist 6y ago

COVID deaths are near 90K in the US (so far).

protomyth 6y ago
[deleted - I didn't mean anything like the reply]
- KittenInABox 6y ago
  Do you have sources that suicide is being counted as covid deaths?
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    [deleted]
- bsder 6y ago
  Deaths by other causes--flu, pneumonia, clots, strokes, etc. are all being reported as above normal levels. That's a sign that Covid-related cases are likely being undercounted rather than your unsubstantiated assertions of overcounting.
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all2well 6y ago

About ~16k people are murdered every year in the US, however I would assume you think it's worthwhile to try and do something about that

umvi 6y ago

> do whatever it takes to save lives When did this become the norm? It happened sometime in the last decade, this idea that life is the ultimate metric with which to measure the utility of some action. I agree that life is precious and up there in importance, but I do not agree that it is the most important variable to optimize for. There are things more precious than life, such as freedom. Specifically, freedom that can be guaranteed for the next generation. I worry that the "save lives" crusaders will eventually win and everyone will be safely enslaved in a brave new world of a super powerful government that doesn't let you do anything except have sex and do recreational drugs.

nine_k 6y ago
This only applies is you speak about your own life. Once you speak about someone else's — no, life is the most precious part you need to preserve. The reason is simple: any material things can be replaced, but a life, once stopped, cannot be reinstated. The trouble with deep economy shutdown, though, is that it becomes a trolley problem: do you want to save some more lives today at the risk of having more people die later because of the consequences? I think this is where the war mentality should kick in: we need to fight and have our commanders risk our lives, so that the other people we care about would live. It's not that bad yet, though, except for the medical personnel.

throwaway45783 6y ago

That's a whataboutism. And actually driving is essential if you live on the west coast. And we should be doing everything we can to make it so that it's not essential, but it turns out that's a deeply political issue.

new_realist 6y ago
These cars are not being made for California, but for China. Tesla has adequate inventory for sale in the US.
- throwaway45783 6y ago
  The comment I was responding to wasn't actually about the cars being made, but just about driving in general.

rajangdavis 6y ago

That's not taking the argument in good faith. Car accidents aren't infectious and furthermore, we don't see 30k deaths in the span of 2 months. I think Musk could have fared better working with the government to make it feasible to work in the Tesla factories and limit exposure and provide a model for other businesses. Instead he just went ahead and has no guarantee that his employees won't be exposed.

dgzl 6y ago
Road rage is infectious but I'm not sure why it matters anyway.

miguelmota 6y ago

Your argument is a logical fallacy. Car accidents are not contagious.