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Ah, hacker news, the web site that can't detect duplicates or afford a message preview. Anybody else amused that we use this bare-bones, no-frills forum to dis
by beders 6y ago
Ah, hacker news, the web site that can't detect duplicates or afford a message preview.
Anybody else amused that we use this bare-bones, no-frills forum to discuss high-tech? ;)
- SteveNuts 6y agoFor me it's honestly refreshing and I wish more sites were like this.
- draw_down 6y agoIt’s a recapitulation of how broken and crappy most tech is
- ainar-g 6y agoIMO, HackerNews has a few frills, mechanics-wise. Like the fact that you can't downvote direct responses to your comments. Or how you can't downvote at all until you get the right amount of karma. I also consider the lack of notifications about new responses a feature, but a lot of people will probably disagree.
- Stierlitz 6y ago@ainar-g: “IMO, HackerNews has a few frills, mechanics-wise. Like the fact that you can't downvote direct responses to your comments. ” I would prefer a voting-up only option, else the down-voting option gets abused.
- Jarwain 6y agoWell that's why down-voting requires a karma threshold before one can actually downvote
- The_rationalist 6y agoSadly it is easy to gain karma once your comments amplify an existing echo-chamber e.g pro mozilla/rust comments
- wolco 6y agoDuplicates are allowed and often stories are reposted on the weekend. Why would people who read source code for a living need a frilly marketing puff type site? Slashdot is still around if you wanted something different.
- dang 6y agoDuplicates are only allowed if a story has not had significant attention in the last year or so: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html This one did though: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23062072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23062072. In such cases we add [dupe] at the top and bury the thread. That's not because we think it's a bad article or a bad thread! It's because front page space is the scarcest resource HN has (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20scarce&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...) and curiosity withers under repetition (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20curiosity%20repetition&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...).
- cjcampbell 6y agoWhy implement a new duplicate detection feature when their well-trained neural net seems to be working just fine?? https://xkcd.com/2173/ https://xkcd.com/2173/
- qznc 6y agoSimplicity is the ultimate sophistication. -someone else i think
- ta17711771 6y agoIt's still the best place around. A lesson that "more tech" ISN'T always the answer.
- BubRoss 6y agoIsn't always the answer doesn't mean isn't ever the answer. This is the site where you are told you can't post another message only after you write and submit it.
- ta17711771 6y agoSounds like it slows things down quite a bit. That's intentional.
- Stierlitz 6y ago@beders: “Ah, hacker news, the web site that can't detect duplicates or afford a message preview.” They could provide a report a duplicate link. @beders: “Anybody else amused that we use this bare-bones, no-frills forum to discuss high-tech? ;)” I find it one of, if not the best tech forum online. They could stop modding comments that they disagree with into oblivion.
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- zozbot234 6y agoLobsters
- thayne 6y agoFrom th HN FAQ: > If not, a small number of reposts is ok.
- dang 6y agoThis one violates the 'if not' though.
- dang 6y agoDo you know of a way to detect whether an article is the same even if the URL is different? In this case the URLs were: repost: https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/index.html https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/index.htm... original: https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/ https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/
- krapp 6y agoYou would have to scrape the site when it's submitted, store more metadata for each submission, do some validation then allow it to post afterwards. First, the URLs are perfectly identical minus the filename. You could compare paths, minus query string and filename, and that would give you a rough score of likely similarity for further checking. There would be false positives for sites that use the query string as part of their navigation the way HN does. Then, you could test the social media meta tags (particularly title and author, if it's there), and a hash of the body text (normalized, all lowercase, etc.) for similarity to other possibly similar submissions. Dupes could be automatically marked as such or flagged for review.
- majewsky 6y agoThe system you're proposing would likely cause more trouble for the mods through its obscure failure modes than the occasional dupe on the front page.
- krapp 6y agoYeah, but that's still how you would do it. There's no other or better way to detect duplicates without generating a fingerprint of the content somehow, preferable multiple fingerprints.
- majewsky 6y agoYou're missing the choice of just not doing it at all, or doing it manually like HN does.