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What point are you trying to make here - just letting others know your a libertarian, or that you’re terribly naïve? Or both? It is normal and pretty much alwa

by orf 6y ago

What point are you trying to make here - just letting others know your a libertarian, or that you’re terribly naïve? Or both? It is normal and pretty much always has been throughout human history, stretching back to hunter gatherer groups that wouldn’t let you just wander off and go traveling without them. I mean, ever heard of a passport or a Visa? And that power becomes particularly useful during a pandemic, a war or any one of a huge number of other relevant occasions.

blhack 6y ago
>Ever heard of a passport Why are you being this combative? Do you think the person you are replying to has never heard or a passport? In case you simply don't live here, or are unfamiliar with the US: the freedom to travel in the united states is well established and well protected.
- orf 6y ago
  The comment didn’t specify a specific government, it made a general statement. One that seems as absurd, and ultimately empty, as “I don’t see why anyone would find it normal for a government to collect taxes”. And the EU, Canada, Russia, India, Japan also have well established (and in some cases constitutional) freedom to travel laws.
  - blhack 6y ago
    >One that seems as absurd, and ultimately empty, as “I don’t see why anyone would find it normal for a government to collect taxes”. Perhaps they expect a freedom to travel because: >And the EU, Canada, Russia, India, Japan also have well established (and Possibly constitutional) freedom to travel laws. I don't think any of these places have a constitutionally outlined law against paying taxes. And if they did, then I think that it would be reasonable for people to find it abnormal to pay them (since it would be illegal to do so).
Consultant32452 6y ago
Within the US interstate travel is protected by the Constitution In my non-expert opinion the government could hypothetically ground all flights, and could restrict an individual with just cause, but to blanketly restrict interstate travel seems illegal on the face of it. Crossing national boundaries is a different kind of beast. FWIW we've seen some kinds of restrictions already knocked down as unconstitutional. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/28/judge-slaps-down-illinois-governors-extended-lockdown-as-unconstitutional-914113 https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/28/judge-slaps-down-ill...
grecy 6y ago
> I mean, ever heard of a passport or a Visa? You should drive up to the Canadian border and try to use that passport. Or try to get on a flight to Australia or NZ. Your passport is currently useless for those purposes, you can't go, no matter how badly you want to (unless you are a citizen of those countries)
dang 6y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into ideological warfare. Please keep personal swipes out of your HN comments. And please don't be snarky. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by orf 6y ago

blhack 6y ago

>Ever heard of a passport Why are you being this combative? Do you think the person you are replying to has never heard or a passport? In case you simply don't live here, or are unfamiliar with the US: the freedom to travel in the united states is well established and well protected.

orf 6y ago
The comment didn’t specify a specific government, it made a general statement. One that seems as absurd, and ultimately empty, as “I don’t see why anyone would find it normal for a government to collect taxes”. And the EU, Canada, Russia, India, Japan also have well established (and in some cases constitutional) freedom to travel laws.
- blhack 6y ago
  >One that seems as absurd, and ultimately empty, as “I don’t see why anyone would find it normal for a government to collect taxes”. Perhaps they expect a freedom to travel because: >And the EU, Canada, Russia, India, Japan also have well established (and Possibly constitutional) freedom to travel laws. I don't think any of these places have a constitutionally outlined law against paying taxes. And if they did, then I think that it would be reasonable for people to find it abnormal to pay them (since it would be illegal to do so).

Consultant32452 6y ago

Within the US interstate travel is protected by the Constitution In my non-expert opinion the government could hypothetically ground all flights, and could restrict an individual with just cause, but to blanketly restrict interstate travel seems illegal on the face of it. Crossing national boundaries is a different kind of beast. FWIW we've seen some kinds of restrictions already knocked down as unconstitutional. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/28/judge-slaps-down-illinois-governors-extended-lockdown-as-unconstitutional-914113 https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/28/judge-slaps-down-ill...

grecy 6y ago

> I mean, ever heard of a passport or a Visa? You should drive up to the Canadian border and try to use that passport. Or try to get on a flight to Australia or NZ. Your passport is currently useless for those purposes, you can't go, no matter how badly you want to (unless you are a citizen of those countries)

dang 6y ago

Please don't take HN threads further into ideological warfare. Please keep personal swipes out of your HN comments. And please don't be snarky. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html