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Why would it be? that it madness.

by matz1 6y ago

chrisseaton 6y ago
Because there is in many other liberal western countries. I think they just relaxed it but if I tried to travel to go hiking where I am (not as badly effected as parts of the US) the police would stop me under the Coronavirus Act.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  Even if you showed them your papers?
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    We don't have 'papers' in the UK (not really sure what you think they would be - it's quite an archaic term), but if you showed why the travel was essential then it'd be fine. Hiking wouldn't count as essential, obviously. But as I said it was recently relaxed to travel a short distance for exercise.
    - umanwizard 6y ago
      > We don't have 'papers' Sure you do. You have passports, drivers’ licenses, and various other personal identity documents, just like everywhere else. You don’t have a national identity card, which is uncommon (maybe even unique) among European countries. Anyway, the parent was presumably making a joke, comparing the lockdown in your country to the trope of Gestapo officers asking “papers, please”.
      - dvtrn 6y ago
        Welp. I fell for that one. Next round’s on me everyone. Sorry about that.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        > Sure you do. You have passports, drivers’ licenses, and various other personal identity documents, just like everywhere else. Nobody calls these 'papers' and none of them are relevant for travelling during the lockdown. The police won't ask to see your passport. I don't think you even need to carry your driving licence while driving - just be able to produce it at some point in the future.
  - gambiting 6y ago
    What papers?
  - dvtrn 6y ago
    US citizen asking here, to dispel any immediate ambiguity: what sort of papers do you mean, or what examples in other countries is there that you speak to? Example, the closest thing to “papers” here-if I understand your “papers” to mean identification, would be a “driver’s license” (or just a plain state ID card which one is not compelled to possess, at least not at the National level) but that’s more a thing certifying your knowledge of how to safely operate a motor vehicle, understand local laws and the like-which I understand to be consistent with some other countries. It’s not really a document certifying one has “permission” to travel freely about the country though. If I wanted to walk from a Charleston South Carolina to San Francisco, and cross every state border along the way, I’m allowed to. This level of freedom is illustrated pretty beautifully in a scene from the movie Forrest Gump https://youtu.be/tWzbCk18wTw https://youtu.be/tWzbCk18wTw
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      > what examples in other countries is there that you speak to? None, because there isn’t such a requirement other western countries, except I think in a Italy and France during this emergency. Do you realise in normal times we too can walk from one side of the country to the other? And in continental Europe they can even keep walking further?
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        "Further" meaning "past the edge of the country", but not meaning "more miles/kilometers".
- caseysoftware 6y ago
  NY is roughly a third of the US cases alone with NYC being the majority within that. While there are many many affected places, that's the one in the worst shape. (The Seattle area had some bad spots in nursing home early on but has since improved significantly.) But that said, NYC never closed the subway and up until last week were only cleaning the cars every three days. Now they do it every night. The governor required nursing homes to take covid-positive patients despite knowing that old people were the worst hit. When the lockdowns first began, most people treated it as a long weekend and went to bars, restaurants, etc. While we have evidence that sunlight, hot temperatures, and physical distance all either kill the virus or reduce risk overall, the NYC subway system in March and April is the opposite in all ways.
- ghaff 6y ago
  Personally I'm avoiding driving to trailheads and flying someplace seems just way too much hassle/uncertainty about restrictions at the moment to say nothing of any increased risk. (This isn't really a great time of year for hiking in much of the US anyway.) But, with a relatively small number of exceptions for particularly crowded parks/areas, most outdoor areas/trailheads are open in the Northeast US.

Why would it be? that it madness.

by matz1 6y ago

Why would it be? that it madness.

Because there is in many other liberal western countries. I think they just relaxed it but if I tried to travel to go hiking where I am (not as badly effected as parts of the US) the police would stop me under the Coronavirus Act.

sokoloff 6y ago
Even if you showed them your papers?
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  We don't have 'papers' in the UK (not really sure what you think they would be - it's quite an archaic term), but if you showed why the travel was essential then it'd be fine. Hiking wouldn't count as essential, obviously. But as I said it was recently relaxed to travel a short distance for exercise.
  - umanwizard 6y ago
    > We don't have 'papers' Sure you do. You have passports, drivers’ licenses, and various other personal identity documents, just like everywhere else. You don’t have a national identity card, which is uncommon (maybe even unique) among European countries. Anyway, the parent was presumably making a joke, comparing the lockdown in your country to the trope of Gestapo officers asking “papers, please”.
    - dvtrn 6y ago
      Welp. I fell for that one. Next round’s on me everyone. Sorry about that.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      > Sure you do. You have passports, drivers’ licenses, and various other personal identity documents, just like everywhere else. Nobody calls these 'papers' and none of them are relevant for travelling during the lockdown. The police won't ask to see your passport. I don't think you even need to carry your driving licence while driving - just be able to produce it at some point in the future.
- gambiting 6y ago
  What papers?
- dvtrn 6y ago
  US citizen asking here, to dispel any immediate ambiguity: what sort of papers do you mean, or what examples in other countries is there that you speak to? Example, the closest thing to “papers” here-if I understand your “papers” to mean identification, would be a “driver’s license” (or just a plain state ID card which one is not compelled to possess, at least not at the National level) but that’s more a thing certifying your knowledge of how to safely operate a motor vehicle, understand local laws and the like-which I understand to be consistent with some other countries. It’s not really a document certifying one has “permission” to travel freely about the country though. If I wanted to walk from a Charleston South Carolina to San Francisco, and cross every state border along the way, I’m allowed to. This level of freedom is illustrated pretty beautifully in a scene from the movie Forrest Gump https://youtu.be/tWzbCk18wTw https://youtu.be/tWzbCk18wTw
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    > what examples in other countries is there that you speak to? None, because there isn’t such a requirement other western countries, except I think in a Italy and France during this emergency. Do you realise in normal times we too can walk from one side of the country to the other? And in continental Europe they can even keep walking further?
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      "Further" meaning "past the edge of the country", but not meaning "more miles/kilometers".
caseysoftware 6y ago
NY is roughly a third of the US cases alone with NYC being the majority within that. While there are many many affected places, that's the one in the worst shape. (The Seattle area had some bad spots in nursing home early on but has since improved significantly.) But that said, NYC never closed the subway and up until last week were only cleaning the cars every three days. Now they do it every night. The governor required nursing homes to take covid-positive patients despite knowing that old people were the worst hit. When the lockdowns first began, most people treated it as a long weekend and went to bars, restaurants, etc. While we have evidence that sunlight, hot temperatures, and physical distance all either kill the virus or reduce risk overall, the NYC subway system in March and April is the opposite in all ways.
ghaff 6y ago
Personally I'm avoiding driving to trailheads and flying someplace seems just way too much hassle/uncertainty about restrictions at the moment to say nothing of any increased risk. (This isn't really a great time of year for hiking in much of the US anyway.) But, with a relatively small number of exceptions for particularly crowded parks/areas, most outdoor areas/trailheads are open in the Northeast US.