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> decimated our economy out of an absolute panic and still continue to push for lockdown 80,000 Americans died, and thousands more will die before this is over
by WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
> decimated our economy out of an absolute panic and still continue to push for lockdown
80,000 Americans died, and thousands more will die before this is over.
- CydeWeys 6y agoAnd that's with the lockdowns. The figures could easily be an order of magnitude or more worse be now without them. We successfully managed to not exceed the capacity of our healthcare system, for the most part.
- whatshisface 6y agoThat's not past tense yet...
- jfnixon 6y agoThere is still a piper to pay for the lockdowns, and that is the patients who will die due to untreated heart disease, missed cancer treatments and surgeries, mental health problems, und so weiter. Not to mention all the people who will now find their disease at a later date and suffer a worse prognosis for it. The lockdowns could have created more deaths and suffering than were prevented, but we won't know for some time.
- CydeWeys 6y agoSocial distancing was always going to happen. Restaurants here in NYC were running at one quarter their normal business in the days leading up to the official lockdown. People aren't stupid, and will choose to stay home when a pandemic is ravaging their community regardless of what official guidance might be. There's no world in which the pandemic is running unchecked through society and people are acting like everything is fine and normal and doing all the usual stuff they're accustomed to. This is a conflation of what the virus itself has down, and the response to it.
- jfnixon 6y agoNot at all. Hospitals shut down elective procedures, not because they were running out of room, but because they were ordered to do so. That freed capacity may have been necessary in NYC, and maybe not, but nowhere else was it necessary.
- Fjolsvith 6y agoAt the expense of all other medical procedures that people needed, let us not forget. We did all of this despite a whole bunch of people effectively having already been vaccinated against COVID-19.
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago> effectively having already been vaccinated against COVID-19 There is no vaccine against COVID-19... unless you consider drinking bleach or dying...
- Fjolsvith 6y ago"Effectively" is the meaning I got from this article.
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y agoNo, they're saying that 40 to 60% of people have antibodies that can make it easier to fight Covid-19... this could be one of the reasons the elderly die more often for example.
- Fjolsvith 6y agoThe reason the elderly died more often is because they didn't quarantine retirement homes, and instead send infected individuals into them.
- antonvs 6y agoThe paper doesn't say that at all. It isn't known whether these antibodies are effective at fighting SARS-CoV-2 or how effective they are. The actual deaths we've seen and the overwhelming of hospitals in multiple countries refute the kind of narrative you're fantasizing about.
- dkdk8283 6y agoMany many people will lose their homes, insurance, and die from other illnesses as a result of shutting down
- purerandomness 6y agoLoss of a home or an insurance can be temporary. The loss of a loved one is never temporary.
- perl4ever 6y agoIt's more like 90K now. However, for perspective, North America (which is mainly the US) has had 1.65M cases and 100K deaths, while Europe has had 1.76M cases and 161K deaths. With all the focus on the US as the single country with by far the most cases, it seems to have not registered with most people that Europe as a whole is of comparable size, has had a comparable number of cases, and has seen a lot more casualties. I wouldn't draw the conclusion that this validates the US health care system, or the decisions of authorities, because of other variables, but it makes me wonder if a narrative about how terrible the US is has been allowed to obscure the facts.