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People also get useful skills, a sense of pride, belonging and accomplishment from it. Although I don't see the problem of providing a combination of UBI and a

People also get useful skills, a sense of pride, belonging and accomplishment from it. Although I don't see the problem of providing a combination of UBI and a Guaranteed Work program; with the UBI being a thing an GWP would have to offer actual progression and hope beyond just surviving.

Broken_Hippo 6y ago
I don't know. Sometimes a job is just things like cleaning the portable toilets at job sites. I'm not sure there is much pride in that. I'm not even sure there are lots of useful skills there. Sometimes work is just work, and not everyone gets pride from "A job well done".
- bjz_ 6y ago
  Then why not charge people to do those kinds of jobs more? Or encourage companies to make the jobs less unpleasant and more fulfilling? A UBI means that workers have more power to be picky about where they work, which puts pressure on companies to improve conditions.
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- radicalbyte 6y ago
  I've done a lot of jobs, some crappy some great. I always got pride and a sense of meaning from the fact that I was doing that instead of staying at home playing videogames.
blackrock 6y ago
People don’t really need UBI. They just need an affordable place to live, and some food to eat, and some electricity to run their fridge, so they don’t starve, or freeze, and keep the lights on. And some internet services, so they can communicate with others to stay connected. The primary problem, is that after 2008, instead of fixing the problem, the morons in leadership, bailed out the rich. They lowered interest rates so low, that it forced a bidding war on housing. Which drove up the cost of rent, which put some people on the streets. For others, their rent became so high, relative to their income, that they cannot save any money. Meanwhile, the rich kept buying more stocks. The corporate buybacks forced a scarcity issue in stocks, that it drove prices higher. Then, they cash out, and take that fake money, and spend it out on the real world. So now, we live in a world where the rich are safe behind their walled gardens, and the poor are sacrificed as the essential workers. And Bezos is about to becomes the first Trillionaire.
- wutbrodo 6y ago
  Rising property values didn't drive higher rent, it was the other way around. People flooded into cities because that's where the economic growth was, and cities didn't build enough housing to keep up.

Broken_Hippo 6y ago

I don't know. Sometimes a job is just things like cleaning the portable toilets at job sites. I'm not sure there is much pride in that. I'm not even sure there are lots of useful skills there. Sometimes work is just work, and not everyone gets pride from "A job well done".

bjz_ 6y ago
Then why not charge people to do those kinds of jobs more? Or encourage companies to make the jobs less unpleasant and more fulfilling? A UBI means that workers have more power to be picky about where they work, which puts pressure on companies to improve conditions.
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radicalbyte 6y ago
I've done a lot of jobs, some crappy some great. I always got pride and a sense of meaning from the fact that I was doing that instead of staying at home playing videogames.

blackrock 6y ago

People don’t really need UBI. They just need an affordable place to live, and some food to eat, and some electricity to run their fridge, so they don’t starve, or freeze, and keep the lights on. And some internet services, so they can communicate with others to stay connected. The primary problem, is that after 2008, instead of fixing the problem, the morons in leadership, bailed out the rich. They lowered interest rates so low, that it forced a bidding war on housing. Which drove up the cost of rent, which put some people on the streets. For others, their rent became so high, relative to their income, that they cannot save any money. Meanwhile, the rich kept buying more stocks. The corporate buybacks forced a scarcity issue in stocks, that it drove prices higher. Then, they cash out, and take that fake money, and spend it out on the real world. So now, we live in a world where the rich are safe behind their walled gardens, and the poor are sacrificed as the essential workers. And Bezos is about to becomes the first Trillionaire.

wutbrodo 6y ago
Rising property values didn't drive higher rent, it was the other way around. People flooded into cities because that's where the economic growth was, and cities didn't build enough housing to keep up.