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>Developers in a variety of domains were invited to apply, as long as they fit the themes of empowerment, privacy, decentralization, community and so on. Funny

>Developers in a variety of domains were invited to apply, as long as they fit the themes of empowerment, privacy, decentralization, community and so on. Funny. I'm seeing how the Web is being fucked over in exactly these areas, and yet I don't see Mozilla doing anything to stop it. Quite the opposite, they contribute to it and follow Google's lead on most of the issues. Here is the simplest and incredibly impactful user empowerment idea. Assume I have a computer with Firefox and an internet connection. Can I open the browser, press "make a web page" button and create a page with a stable URL (probably a GUID) accessible to other people? Without creating an account some or doing some nerdy shit. Nope. Well, the fact that this basic idea still isn't implemented in the age of "cloud computing" tells you everything you need to know about whether major player in the market (which Mozilla will soon cease to be) want to empower their users.

DevKoala 6y ago
Who will host the webpage in your scenario?
- gambler 6y ago
  Really, this is the question I'm being asked on Hacker News? Are we at the point where an average user here never heard of BitTorrent, Tor and other similar systems? Or is it a way to demand for me to post a complete description of the protocol that would support the feature above? It doesn't matter what the specific protocol is. What matters is that this is not even a goal and it should be.
  - DevKoala 6y ago
    Yes, I am interested in your idea. I agree it is something should happen. However, who would host these sites? I don’t see the solution yet. Maybe you have put more thought into it. Edit: you sound a bit rattled. I didn’t mean to instigate.
  - notriddle 6y ago
    > Are we at the point where an average user here never heard of BitTorrent, Tor and other similar systems? Tor hidden services don't provide permanent storage. It's just a routing protocol. BitTorrent doesn't guarantee storage, either. A popular site will remain de facto stable, but the long tail is a different story. Every. Single. Time. This idea comes up, and it always fails because the economics just don't work out. Someone needs to take care of all those terabytes of data. Routing is pretty cheap, and can basically be thought of as solved by Tor, I2P, IPFS, BitTorrent, etc. If you're willing to keep your PC on 24/7, it's easy, but nobody can expect that. The closest you can get is FreeNet. Kinda. It's better than BitTorrent, but still worse than S3, because of course it is, it's free.
    - nl 6y ago
      Well put. A much more sensible response would be "That button lets them pay $2/year for a basic hosting account which makes the service self sustaining".
  - abdulmuhaimin 6y ago
    Idea is cheap. edit: Beaker browser is what youre looking for
- jackinloadup 6y ago
  peer-to-peer distributed hosting has been maturing. https://blog.hypercore-protocol.org/posts/announcing-hyperdrive-10/ https://blog.hypercore-protocol.org/posts/announcing-hyperdr... Cloudflare has an ipfs gateway. https://blog.cloudflare.com/distributed-web-gateway/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/distributed-web-gateway/ The Brave browser also supports ipfs out of the box. This is the Web 3.0 movement. The distributed web is on its way.

DevKoala 6y ago

Who will host the webpage in your scenario?

gambler 6y ago
Really, this is the question I'm being asked on Hacker News? Are we at the point where an average user here never heard of BitTorrent, Tor and other similar systems? Or is it a way to demand for me to post a complete description of the protocol that would support the feature above? It doesn't matter what the specific protocol is. What matters is that this is not even a goal and it should be.
- DevKoala 6y ago
  Yes, I am interested in your idea. I agree it is something should happen. However, who would host these sites? I don’t see the solution yet. Maybe you have put more thought into it. Edit: you sound a bit rattled. I didn’t mean to instigate.
- notriddle 6y ago
  > Are we at the point where an average user here never heard of BitTorrent, Tor and other similar systems? Tor hidden services don't provide permanent storage. It's just a routing protocol. BitTorrent doesn't guarantee storage, either. A popular site will remain de facto stable, but the long tail is a different story. Every. Single. Time. This idea comes up, and it always fails because the economics just don't work out. Someone needs to take care of all those terabytes of data. Routing is pretty cheap, and can basically be thought of as solved by Tor, I2P, IPFS, BitTorrent, etc. If you're willing to keep your PC on 24/7, it's easy, but nobody can expect that. The closest you can get is FreeNet. Kinda. It's better than BitTorrent, but still worse than S3, because of course it is, it's free.
  - nl 6y ago
    Well put. A much more sensible response would be "That button lets them pay $2/year for a basic hosting account which makes the service self sustaining".
- abdulmuhaimin 6y ago
  Idea is cheap. edit: Beaker browser is what youre looking for
jackinloadup 6y ago
peer-to-peer distributed hosting has been maturing. https://blog.hypercore-protocol.org/posts/announcing-hyperdrive-10/ https://blog.hypercore-protocol.org/posts/announcing-hyperdr... Cloudflare has an ipfs gateway. https://blog.cloudflare.com/distributed-web-gateway/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/distributed-web-gateway/ The Brave browser also supports ipfs out of the box. This is the Web 3.0 movement. The distributed web is on its way.