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https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/learn-to-code https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/learn-to-code I don't see anything examples in there showing journalist telling lai

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/learn-to-code https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/learn-to-code I don't see anything examples in there showing journalist telling laid off people to "just learn to code". Unless you believe that writing stories about people switching careers is actually an implied demand that people switch careers, which seems like a strange takeaway.

SilasX 6y ago
Every story has a framing, and this one's an implication of typicality. By the way they were framed, the clear implication was that it's no big deal for anyone to learn to code as a very late second career. It's (also) a mistake to say that, because they didn't explicitly say that view, they weren't promoting it by their choice of framing and emphasis.
- Goronmon 6y ago
  Do you have an article you feel was that you feel is framing the issue as "its not big deal for anyone to learn to code"?
  - SilasX 6y ago
    Sure, the one my opponent on this issue[1] was citing in his/her favor: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/21/tech-industry-coding-kentucky-hillbillies https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/21/tech-industr... Could you really say readers won't go away thinking "hm, guess this seems like a viable post-coal career"? [1] I don't know a better term; can we not make a thing about the label I chose here? Just suggest a better one if you don't like it.
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    - ardy42 6y ago
      > Could you really say readers won't go away thinking "hm, guess this seems like a viable post-coal career"? I could see readers going away thinking it's a possible post-coal career for some, but that's a far cry from "a clear implication was that it's no big deal for anyone to learn to code as a very late second career." Would you walk away from this article thinking that participating in triathlons is a viable hobby for senior citizens? 'Iron Nun,' 86, forgets sneakers for triathlon — and still finishes race: https://www.today.com/news/iron-nun-86-forgets-sneakers-triathlon-still-finishes-race-t101950 https://www.today.com/news/iron-nun-86-forgets-sneakers-tria...
      - SilasX 6y ago
        >I could see readers going away thinking it's a possible post-coal career for some, but that's a far cry from "a clear implication was that it's no big deal for anyone to learn to code as a very late second career." Then I'm glad to hear you're unusually hype resistant. >Would you walk away from this article thinking that participating in triathlons is a viable hobby for senior citizens? No, that's clearly framed as an out-of-the-ordinary feat for an individual (nickname indicating uniqueness, "and still finishes"), and about a hobby rather than a new core income source.
listenallyall 6y ago
Not taking sides in the argument, but it appears to be verified that Joe Biden directly addressed coal miners at a New Hampshire rally, saying “Anybody who can go down 3,000 feet in a mine can sure as hell learn to program as well... Anybody who can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for God’s sake!” https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/476391-biden-tells-coal-miners-to-learn-to-code https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/47... https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-new-hampshire-campaign-code-1479913 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-new-hampshire-campaign-co...

SilasX 6y ago

Every story has a framing, and this one's an implication of typicality. By the way they were framed, the clear implication was that it's no big deal for anyone to learn to code as a very late second career. It's (also) a mistake to say that, because they didn't explicitly say that view, they weren't promoting it by their choice of framing and emphasis.

Goronmon 6y ago
Do you have an article you feel was that you feel is framing the issue as "its not big deal for anyone to learn to code"?
- SilasX 6y ago
  Sure, the one my opponent on this issue[1] was citing in his/her favor: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/21/tech-industry-coding-kentucky-hillbillies https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/21/tech-industr... Could you really say readers won't go away thinking "hm, guess this seems like a viable post-coal career"? [1] I don't know a better term; can we not make a thing about the label I chose here? Just suggest a better one if you don't like it.
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  - ardy42 6y ago
    > Could you really say readers won't go away thinking "hm, guess this seems like a viable post-coal career"? I could see readers going away thinking it's a possible post-coal career for some, but that's a far cry from "a clear implication was that it's no big deal for anyone to learn to code as a very late second career." Would you walk away from this article thinking that participating in triathlons is a viable hobby for senior citizens? 'Iron Nun,' 86, forgets sneakers for triathlon — and still finishes race: https://www.today.com/news/iron-nun-86-forgets-sneakers-triathlon-still-finishes-race-t101950 https://www.today.com/news/iron-nun-86-forgets-sneakers-tria...
    - SilasX 6y ago
      >I could see readers going away thinking it's a possible post-coal career for some, but that's a far cry from "a clear implication was that it's no big deal for anyone to learn to code as a very late second career." Then I'm glad to hear you're unusually hype resistant. >Would you walk away from this article thinking that participating in triathlons is a viable hobby for senior citizens? No, that's clearly framed as an out-of-the-ordinary feat for an individual (nickname indicating uniqueness, "and still finishes"), and about a hobby rather than a new core income source.

listenallyall 6y ago

Not taking sides in the argument, but it appears to be verified that Joe Biden directly addressed coal miners at a New Hampshire rally, saying “Anybody who can go down 3,000 feet in a mine can sure as hell learn to program as well... Anybody who can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for God’s sake!” https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/476391-biden-tells-coal-miners-to-learn-to-code https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/47... https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-new-hampshire-campaign-code-1479913 https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-new-hampshire-campaign-co...