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What you're communicating is the blame is on the person suffering if we simplify it. That assumption is not correct and it's arguable based on what ideology you

What you're communicating is the blame is on the person suffering if we simplify it. That assumption is not correct and it's arguable based on what ideology you prescribe to. Some people understand determinism and realize people don't have free will because it's simply an illusion. So people that suffer throughout life without finding a solution are just suffering because of how the universe made the unique conditions at birth for them suffer while the summation of external forces upon them progresses the suffering. I always try to keep in mind that not everyone has a happy life or I should write not even a painless life is obtainable for everyone. In any case I think it makes me more compassionate for people I shouldn't be able to judge and specifically not attempt at blaming them individually for wanting death instead of thinking life is special for them to force themselves to live.

meiraleal 6y ago
Nobody is talking about everyone having a happy life. But if you are suffering the whole life and not with a terminal disease, you played life wrong. There are tons of social levers that can be used for one to not suffer the same thing a whole existence. If NOTHING is interesting to someone, that's definitely not a misery problem but a ego problem. I don't care about anyone else egos miserability if they don't want to improve. There is always a step forward, even in the pain. Pretty much every american problem is small compared to afghans problems but you still have lots of people happy there so I don't buy this "my whole existence is shit" approach.
- abellerose 6y ago
  You seem to have an ego problem if you dismiss the possibility that people are stuck in a suffering life outside their control. Every life is unique with how circumstances are for the person and the order of events that follow. Blaming the person for not doing something is a scapegoat without any proof that things could have been different if the person tried whatever. Also comparing someone living in poverty or being homeless while somehow being happy isn't going to help someone is different circumstances that's suffering intolerable pain with wanting to just die. Life isn't so special to everyone and similar to how not everyone believes in God. People are different and which is why I think it's more compassionate to not be so rigid with forcing people to live if they don't wish to.
  - meiraleal 6y ago
    And you seem to have the need to ascertain that some people suffer so much that they should be allowed to die. > Blaming the person for not doing something is a scapegoat oh, how that is a scapegoat and blaming luck or the world or randomness isn't? I don't care if there are people that don't see any possibility of them being happy. That possibility exists to anybody that is not dead. Unless you have a totally biased perception of reality and would only be happy if you were the next Elon Musk, a hollywood actor or a famous sportsman. This kind of misery, which is the majority of the "misery" in the world, I really don't care and don't feel empathy. Suffering of a hollow existence is not really suffering, especially if it is related to the choices they made in the past.
    - abellerose 6y ago
      Do you want me to seriously comment to what you just wrote? Similar to your other comment dismissing all types of intolerable pain from whatever illness. Seems fanatic like.
      - meiraleal 6y ago
        And looks like you are looking for validation? Can you please define intolerable pain so we discuss it with facts? Please describe a situation that encompass the main chunk of the population, not a "intolerable pain" that only 1% of the people suffer. I'll not formulate my opinion based on the suffering of 1% of the population.
        abellerose 6y ago
        > I'll not formulate my opinion based on the suffering of 1% of the population. Yet you seem to have an opinion already made against those people. You didn't provide facts as well for any of your comments. :/ We all know that pain can only be experienced by oneself and we have no way of truly knowing how painful one may be experiencing from an illness compared to another. That's why there has to be personal responsibility for oneself to make such a decision and compassion from society to agree someone suffering should be able to have a safe death if they truly wish to end everything. I've been in multiple medical settings because of my type of work and where pain truly makes life nothing more than ugly & despicable. I can understand your position if you've never seen a person in pain for decades and if you think all things are curable when it's simply not the case for everyone. I've also spoken to multiple doctors that take your position because they believe someone has to be the guinea pigs for progressing humanity while searching for cures. Anyway I can give you a personal email of mine if you wish to discuss your opinions in great detail on this topic because I'm always trying to understand both sides. I don't think HN comments is the better option.

meiraleal 6y ago

Nobody is talking about everyone having a happy life. But if you are suffering the whole life and not with a terminal disease, you played life wrong. There are tons of social levers that can be used for one to not suffer the same thing a whole existence. If NOTHING is interesting to someone, that's definitely not a misery problem but a ego problem. I don't care about anyone else egos miserability if they don't want to improve. There is always a step forward, even in the pain. Pretty much every american problem is small compared to afghans problems but you still have lots of people happy there so I don't buy this "my whole existence is shit" approach.

abellerose 6y ago
You seem to have an ego problem if you dismiss the possibility that people are stuck in a suffering life outside their control. Every life is unique with how circumstances are for the person and the order of events that follow. Blaming the person for not doing something is a scapegoat without any proof that things could have been different if the person tried whatever. Also comparing someone living in poverty or being homeless while somehow being happy isn't going to help someone is different circumstances that's suffering intolerable pain with wanting to just die. Life isn't so special to everyone and similar to how not everyone believes in God. People are different and which is why I think it's more compassionate to not be so rigid with forcing people to live if they don't wish to.
- meiraleal 6y ago
  And you seem to have the need to ascertain that some people suffer so much that they should be allowed to die. > Blaming the person for not doing something is a scapegoat oh, how that is a scapegoat and blaming luck or the world or randomness isn't? I don't care if there are people that don't see any possibility of them being happy. That possibility exists to anybody that is not dead. Unless you have a totally biased perception of reality and would only be happy if you were the next Elon Musk, a hollywood actor or a famous sportsman. This kind of misery, which is the majority of the "misery" in the world, I really don't care and don't feel empathy. Suffering of a hollow existence is not really suffering, especially if it is related to the choices they made in the past.
  - abellerose 6y ago
    Do you want me to seriously comment to what you just wrote? Similar to your other comment dismissing all types of intolerable pain from whatever illness. Seems fanatic like.
    - meiraleal 6y ago
      And looks like you are looking for validation? Can you please define intolerable pain so we discuss it with facts? Please describe a situation that encompass the main chunk of the population, not a "intolerable pain" that only 1% of the people suffer. I'll not formulate my opinion based on the suffering of 1% of the population.
      - abellerose 6y ago
        > I'll not formulate my opinion based on the suffering of 1% of the population. Yet you seem to have an opinion already made against those people. You didn't provide facts as well for any of your comments. :/ We all know that pain can only be experienced by oneself and we have no way of truly knowing how painful one may be experiencing from an illness compared to another. That's why there has to be personal responsibility for oneself to make such a decision and compassion from society to agree someone suffering should be able to have a safe death if they truly wish to end everything. I've been in multiple medical settings because of my type of work and where pain truly makes life nothing more than ugly & despicable. I can understand your position if you've never seen a person in pain for decades and if you think all things are curable when it's simply not the case for everyone. I've also spoken to multiple doctors that take your position because they believe someone has to be the guinea pigs for progressing humanity while searching for cures. Anyway I can give you a personal email of mine if you wish to discuss your opinions in great detail on this topic because I'm always trying to understand both sides. I don't think HN comments is the better option.