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Your thinking is so antiquated name me a good novel and I'll give a video game that matches it in narrative content. And playing music and gardening? Please.
by Grimm1 6y ago
Your thinking is so antiquated name me a good novel and I'll give a video game that matches it in narrative content. And playing music and gardening? Please.
- justwalt 6y agoGardening and playing music are both timeless activities, what do you mean? Kind of unfair to jump down the throat of someone who’s only offering friendly advice.
- Grimm1 6y agoBoth are equivalent leisure time activities that I would never say improve your life as the OP claimed. They improve your life in so much the same way games do, leisure, so their comment is purely "I don't like them so they can't be good" which is complete crap.
- karatestomp 6y agoI do think, say, acquiring the skill to play piano or guitar tolerably well gains one more general social standing (not just with a subset of gamers) than "I'm fairly good at Rocket League" and also builds a better understanding of music generally, which can be useful and/or pleasant, and gardening produces good food and also carries more social benefits than "I caught all the Pokemon". I'd agree they're not wildly better. Though if I put as much time into one of those activities as I have into games I'd probably be really really good at them, which I bet would open up some doors if I went looking for them, rather than just being alright at games and knowing some stuff about them, for whatever that's worth (nothing at all).
- Grimm1 6y agoI think pursuing leisure for some end goal loses the point of leisure itself and is an unfortunate side effect of the times we live in. That said I'm a workaholic with my job and 2 active projects outside of that who likes to lift and go outside so I can't really take fault with that mode of thinking since I've never quite captured my own idea of how I should be doing leisure.
- watwut 6y ago> That said I'm a workaholic with my job and 2 active projects I kind of dont see how you could play The Witcher while working overtime and having two side projects and going outside.
- Grimm1 6y agoYou've never taken a week off?
- watwut 6y agoWe use weeks off when there is no school to go together somewhere as a family. Around half time with friends too. I don't have that much time off that I could take week off for the game.
- Grimm1 6y agoYeah, that's totally fair, I believe I'm just in an earlier stage of my life where I don't have a family yet so I can sometimes burn the time like that versus prioritizing my social relationships.
- burntoutfire 6y ago> our thinking is so antiquated name me a good novel and I'll give a video game that matches it in narrative content. "Brothers Karamazow"?
- Grimm1 6y agoNier Automata
- option 6y agolol
- Grimm1 6y ago'Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.'
- burntoutfire 6y agoCan you elaborate how the themes in this game map onto themes in Brothers Karamazov? I tried doing that myself, based on plot synopsis in Wikipedia, but was not able to. Not to mention that just equivalence of narrative content does not mean anything in terms of work of art's quality - i.e. one could write the most wretched version of Brothers Karamazov, with technically the same content, but just no substance... The true value of work of art reveals itself in how deep it is - i.e. how much it can deliver to its reader (in terms of richness of characters, jumping points for philosophical thought etc.). BK were studied for over a century now, with countless articles and PhD theses from different angles written about it - a true testament to its richness. One can wonder how deeply "Nier Automata" will be studied.
- fctorial 6y agoLisa the painful
- sebiche 6y agoWii Sports
- billfruit 6y agoWhile I don't agree with any attempt to see games as lower form of culture, I don't think that story telling/ narrative is something that games do well. I personally find narratives in games actually detract from the experience, and many games are better from having no or only minimal story built into it, and more like being sandboxes: -Cities: Skylines -Just Cause 2 -Prison Architect -Kerbal Space Program -Pool Nation -Blood Bowl -Hexcells -Sins of a Solar Empire -Elite: Dangerous -Dungeons of the Endless -Rocket League -Sonic Allstars Racing Literature has immensely more complex narratives than it is likely possible for films and games can hope to achieve. But to be able to provide interactive sandboxes with unlimited possibilities is perhaps one that only games can provide.
- Grimm1 6y agoI can offer some counters to that off the bat, Nier Automata, Deus Ex, Destiny, The Witcher, Stanley Parable, Undertale If anything I think games with the right attention can have better narratives than literature because they aren't limited to words in assisting the narrative with visualization and depiction of events / emotion. Much like pulp fiction and early sci-fi were treated as second class literature games range the spectrum as well. I think we can likely both continue to find examples to fit our points and it just shows the range games have as a medium.
- watwut 6y agoFrom those I played Deus Ex (I decided to not play games anymore) and narrative in that rather average ordinary scifi book with rather normal storyline. I am not saying bad book, but it is not some kind of narrative masterpiece.
- Grimm1 6y agoI can only speak to the reboot, and I found those fantastic, but we are now in the realm of opinion which ultimately is where the conversation is going to wind up anyway so I'm not going to push back on it just that we had different experiences.
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