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Yeah but isn't it the definition of a slippery slope?

mytailorisrich 6y ago
Not really. Taiwan really is an internal Chinese issue and Crimea is essentially 'repairing' the issue of a Russian territory (with majority Russian population) that was split from Russia relatively recently. Everyone knows that and thus no-one is going to start a direct war over these territories. But even if you were contemplating a direct war the issue would be that direct wars against Russia or China are not realistic because they are nuclear powers and, in any case, too big to invade. Any direct war would certainly require a major aggression from these countries against the US themselves, which they obviously won't do in the same way as the US won't directly attack them. It's all boils down to relative strengths and outcome of a war. There are wars that are never worth starting.
- throw51319 6y ago
  How is Taiwan an internal Chinese issue? There was a civil war that ended in a deadlock. Both societies grew and actually interacted fairly peacefully for 70 years. The people in Taiwan view themselves overwhelmingly as Taiwanese. Using your logic applied to Crimea, should they not obviously be Taiwan then? The question is, do we want to end this idea of "taking back" things that were "ours" in the past? What even is "ours" and when do you get to call the cutoff time? What is it, 1800 AD, 1200 AD, or 2000 BC? China itself was made up of smaller civilizations many ages ago... so if I'm a present day decendant of one of them, do I get to claim that part of China as my own? Also, when did the CCP ever control Taiwan? Never. So how can they take it back?
  - mytailorisrich 6y ago
    It is factually an internal issue. There is the Republic of China on one side, the People's Republic of China on the other. This is the same as North v South Korea (the war isn't over in both cases, they are just playing the clock) but with the crucial difference that in China's case one side is too big to be pushed over. Again, this has been played to annoy the PRC, standard divide-and-conquer tactic, but the reality remains that no country is going to go to war against China over this, or in general.
    - throw51319 6y ago
      To use your logic - if there is an internal genocide in an country, there should be no outside interference because it's internal. The stronger party should be able to do what it wants because it's stronger. It's ridiculous. The whole point is we don't want to have a strength-based order in the world. If so, it will become winner take all and lots of people will die. If China wants to "finish" a civil war and start the attack then fine, they have the blood of innocents on their hands.

Not really. Taiwan really is an internal Chinese issue and Crimea is essentially 'repairing' the issue of a Russian territory (with majority Russian population) that was split from Russia relatively recently. Everyone knows that and thus no-one is going to start a direct war over these territories. But even if you were contemplating a direct war the issue would be that direct wars against Russia or China are not realistic because they are nuclear powers and, in any case, too big to invade. Any direct war would certainly require a major aggression from these countries against the US themselves, which they obviously won't do in the same way as the US won't directly attack them. It's all boils down to relative strengths and outcome of a war. There are wars that are never worth starting.

throw51319 6y ago
How is Taiwan an internal Chinese issue? There was a civil war that ended in a deadlock. Both societies grew and actually interacted fairly peacefully for 70 years. The people in Taiwan view themselves overwhelmingly as Taiwanese. Using your logic applied to Crimea, should they not obviously be Taiwan then? The question is, do we want to end this idea of "taking back" things that were "ours" in the past? What even is "ours" and when do you get to call the cutoff time? What is it, 1800 AD, 1200 AD, or 2000 BC? China itself was made up of smaller civilizations many ages ago... so if I'm a present day decendant of one of them, do I get to claim that part of China as my own? Also, when did the CCP ever control Taiwan? Never. So how can they take it back?
- mytailorisrich 6y ago
  It is factually an internal issue. There is the Republic of China on one side, the People's Republic of China on the other. This is the same as North v South Korea (the war isn't over in both cases, they are just playing the clock) but with the crucial difference that in China's case one side is too big to be pushed over. Again, this has been played to annoy the PRC, standard divide-and-conquer tactic, but the reality remains that no country is going to go to war against China over this, or in general.
  - throw51319 6y ago
    To use your logic - if there is an internal genocide in an country, there should be no outside interference because it's internal. The stronger party should be able to do what it wants because it's stronger. It's ridiculous. The whole point is we don't want to have a strength-based order in the world. If so, it will become winner take all and lots of people will die. If China wants to "finish" a civil war and start the attack then fine, they have the blood of innocents on their hands.