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I doub't her detainment had anything at all to do about Canada, so in this case Canada was, it appeared merely toeing the US line, rather than having a specific

I doub't her detainment had anything at all to do about Canada, so in this case Canada was, it appeared merely toeing the US line, rather than having a specific stake in the matter. Really though the crux of the matter is wether Meng is held due to a real criminality as per Canadian/US law, or is being held as a political move, and signals from both US and Canadian administration has been confusing in this regard. Some statements from US and administrations give a feeling that she's being held for political reasons. "Several well-known Canadians, including former prime minister Jean Chrétien and former foreign minister John Manley, have suggested that Canada let Meng go or orchestrate a “prisoner exchange” with China." From WaPo on this issue: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/extradition-hearing-of-meng-wanzhou-huawei-executive-at-the-center-of-us-canada-china-rift-opens-in-vancouver/2020/01/17/97fc78a6-37d3-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/extraditio...

generatorguy 6y ago
Canada does have a stake in the matter as Huawei hacked Nortel to steal their IP and then undercut all their business deals causing nortel to go bankrupt to the detriment of 94,000 employees and every single Canadian that owned just about and stock market fund. It is embarrassing that we haven’t banned Huawei products in Canada yet.
- billfruit 6y ago
  Yes but that is not related to the case at hand. So if that is used a justification to hold Meng, that is a political reason. Governments in democracies, esp the judicial system is supposed to act to uphold fairness and not national self-interest.
  - generatorguy 6y ago
    very good point. The Canadian government should grow a pair and determine if nortel's IP was stolen and then act accordingly.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  Nortel was hit by the tech bubble bursting, then engaged in financial fraud.[1][2] Blaming Huawei for Nortel's failure is a pretty massive rewrite of history. 1. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nortel-files-for-bankruptcy-protection https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nortel-files-for-bankruptc... 2. https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSN1936265020080619 https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSN1936265020080619
  - generatorguy 6y ago
    tech bubble burst in 2001, Huawei hacking of nortel was 2004-2009. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-against-working-with-huawei-1.1137006 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-ag... https://aragonresearch.com/cyber-war-flashback-remembering-the-huawei-hack-of-cisco-and-nortel/ https://aragonresearch.com/cyber-war-flashback-remembering-t...
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      Not Huawei hacking - alleged Chinese hacking. By that time, Nortel had already been hit by the bursting of the tech bubble - which it never really recovered from - and was in the midst of a scandal in which top executives were accused of financial fraud. Nortel's final downfall occurred during the Great Recession, after years of limping along on life support. People blaming Huawei for Nortel's collapse are really banking on people forgetting the history of Nortel.
      - generatorguy 6y ago
        admittedly I am as biased as they come being a formel Nortel employee. Chinese government hacking and Huawei hacking are one and the same as the end result is Huawei benefitting from the stolen information. Had Nortel not been hacked they wouldn't have had to deal with their competitors ripping off their products and out manoeuvring them in their business deals. The article I linked to cites an ex senior security advisor at Nortel stating that the hacking dated back to 2000, before the tech bubble burst. Instead of being swept under the rug the demise of Nortel due to hacking should be a case study in why computer security needs to be given a lot more attention even if it is at the expense of convenience.

generatorguy 6y ago

Canada does have a stake in the matter as Huawei hacked Nortel to steal their IP and then undercut all their business deals causing nortel to go bankrupt to the detriment of 94,000 employees and every single Canadian that owned just about and stock market fund. It is embarrassing that we haven’t banned Huawei products in Canada yet.

billfruit 6y ago
Yes but that is not related to the case at hand. So if that is used a justification to hold Meng, that is a political reason. Governments in democracies, esp the judicial system is supposed to act to uphold fairness and not national self-interest.
- generatorguy 6y ago
  very good point. The Canadian government should grow a pair and determine if nortel's IP was stolen and then act accordingly.
DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
Nortel was hit by the tech bubble bursting, then engaged in financial fraud.[1][2] Blaming Huawei for Nortel's failure is a pretty massive rewrite of history. 1. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nortel-files-for-bankruptcy-protection https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nortel-files-for-bankruptc... 2. https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSN1936265020080619 https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSN1936265020080619
- generatorguy 6y ago
  tech bubble burst in 2001, Huawei hacking of nortel was 2004-2009. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-against-working-with-huawei-1.1137006 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/former-nortel-exec-warns-ag... https://aragonresearch.com/cyber-war-flashback-remembering-the-huawei-hack-of-cisco-and-nortel/ https://aragonresearch.com/cyber-war-flashback-remembering-t...
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    Not Huawei hacking - alleged Chinese hacking. By that time, Nortel had already been hit by the bursting of the tech bubble - which it never really recovered from - and was in the midst of a scandal in which top executives were accused of financial fraud. Nortel's final downfall occurred during the Great Recession, after years of limping along on life support. People blaming Huawei for Nortel's collapse are really banking on people forgetting the history of Nortel.
    - generatorguy 6y ago
      admittedly I am as biased as they come being a formel Nortel employee. Chinese government hacking and Huawei hacking are one and the same as the end result is Huawei benefitting from the stolen information. Had Nortel not been hacked they wouldn't have had to deal with their competitors ripping off their products and out manoeuvring them in their business deals. The article I linked to cites an ex senior security advisor at Nortel stating that the hacking dated back to 2000, before the tech bubble burst. Instead of being swept under the rug the demise of Nortel due to hacking should be a case study in why computer security needs to be given a lot more attention even if it is at the expense of convenience.