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Herd immunity is absolutely not a failure. The point is to have young healthy people get the virus who will neither die, nor require hospitalization. Once this

by z_open 6y ago

Herd immunity is absolutely not a failure. The point is to have young healthy people get the virus who will neither die, nor require hospitalization. Once this population has substantial immunity, risk drops drastically for the at risk people.

mrpopo 6y ago
> The point is to have young healthy people get the virus who will neither die, nor require hospitalization. This is a novel virus that is not entirely understood yet. Maybe the majority of these young healthy people would not die (only 0.2%, and I wish you won't be one of them), but they might get serious complications that will accompany them for the rest of their lives. Maybe they will be more subject to strokes, lung failures, etc. later in life. Maybe the virus won't kill them now but reduce their life expectancy by 10 years. How does that sound?
- z_open 6y ago
  > How does that sound? It sounds hypothetical. You said herd immunity involves a good fraction of the population dying which you don't know. Serious complications for the non-risk population is neither known nor expected.
  - mrpopo 6y ago
    > You said herd immunity involves a good fraction of the population dying which you don't know It's well-known by now that even the low-risk population (<50 age group) still has a 0.x% risk of dying directly from covid. It's insane that people are still minimising this. > Serious complications for the non-risk population is neither known nor expected. 1) it's "low-risk". "No-risk" is for the 0-20 age group, and they are not enough to provide herd immunity. 2) here is one known and documented complication for young people affected with covid. Doctors Link COVID-19 To Potentially Deadly Blood Clots And Strokes https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/29/847917017/doctors-link-covid-19-to-potentially-deadly-blood-clots-and-strokes https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/29/8479170... There is not enough data yet to infer on long-term complications yet. But doctors are definitely monitoring this.
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    - s1artibartfast 6y ago
      for what it is worth, I believe it is a 0.0X% chance of dying for < 50. Alternatively put, x/10,000. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/12/science.abc3517 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/12/scie...

by z_open 6y ago

mrpopo 6y ago

> The point is to have young healthy people get the virus who will neither die, nor require hospitalization. This is a novel virus that is not entirely understood yet. Maybe the majority of these young healthy people would not die (only 0.2%, and I wish you won't be one of them), but they might get serious complications that will accompany them for the rest of their lives. Maybe they will be more subject to strokes, lung failures, etc. later in life. Maybe the virus won't kill them now but reduce their life expectancy by 10 years. How does that sound?

z_open 6y ago
> How does that sound? It sounds hypothetical. You said herd immunity involves a good fraction of the population dying which you don't know. Serious complications for the non-risk population is neither known nor expected.
- mrpopo 6y ago
  > You said herd immunity involves a good fraction of the population dying which you don't know It's well-known by now that even the low-risk population (<50 age group) still has a 0.x% risk of dying directly from covid. It's insane that people are still minimising this. > Serious complications for the non-risk population is neither known nor expected. 1) it's "low-risk". "No-risk" is for the 0-20 age group, and they are not enough to provide herd immunity. 2) here is one known and documented complication for young people affected with covid. Doctors Link COVID-19 To Potentially Deadly Blood Clots And Strokes https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/29/847917017/doctors-link-covid-19-to-potentially-deadly-blood-clots-and-strokes https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/29/8479170... There is not enough data yet to infer on long-term complications yet. But doctors are definitely monitoring this.
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  - s1artibartfast 6y ago
    for what it is worth, I believe it is a 0.0X% chance of dying for < 50. Alternatively put, x/10,000. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/12/science.abc3517 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/12/scie...