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I will be very surprised if Huawei would be found guilty of anything. The company plays an important role in actually defining the 5G standard as a member of 3G

I will be very surprised if Huawei would be found guilty of anything. The company plays an important role in actually defining the 5G standard as a member of 3GPP, and holds 3 times the number of 5G patents than Qualcomm. I mean, look at the number of contributions to the 5G standards by company in this document, and compare the positions of Huawei, Qualcomm and Cisco: https://www.iplytics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Who-Leads-the-5G-Patent-Race_2019.pdf https://www.iplytics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Who-Lead... (page 9). What are they supposed to steal there? They literally are defining what 5G is.

onemoresoop 6y ago
Making contributions doesn’t cancel stealing secrets. We all know most of the chinese technology was IP stolen and improved upon. Lets take for example Solowheel. Do you know the story behind it?
- pinkfoot 6y ago
  Have you ever stopped to ponder why Ford, GM, and Chrysler's four-stroke motors look ever so much like the one the Germans Nicolaus Otto, Gottlieb Daimler, and Wilhelm Maybach invented?
  - onemoresoop 6y ago
    Because a lot of german technology was force-exported to the US and USSR after Germany lost the WWII. What are you implying here regarding China’s IP theft? Did they win a war Im not aware of?
    - pinkfoot 6y ago
      The Otto-cycle engine in Ford Model T engine from 1908 - 1927 was the spoils for the SECOND world war? No mate, it was a rip-off.
DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
worked for a main competitor of Huawei building UMTS/LTE base stations which at the time weren't even properly standardized (early systems design). Searched for my own name on github. Found source code I wrote for said vendor which was taken from somebody who worked for our Hangzhou office and had access to the same internal VCS[1] as me. The guy downloaded anything he had access to then moved to Huawei and from there to another Chinese state owned company. He uploaded everything to his own github account (under his real name). Not even an isolated case. They don't even have to plant a mole in your org in the West they can simply just coerce Chinese based employees to extract interesting IP from your sites in China. These guys just don't give a f*ck! (also Nokia, Ericsson management were never held accountable for enabling this by opening up sites in China without thinking this won't bite them. they all did it because of promise of cheap manufacture and they all got rolled. thousands of jobs lost in Europe and the US as a consequence so it's not just the Chinese who are to blame here) note: I was involved in early tech standardization on 3GPP for many years. yes Huawei contributes a lot. That doesn't mean they also don't steal your shit. They do it because there literally is no way to hold them accountable. You just got to make sure you don't travel to a country that may extradite you to the US. And by the way they are _not_ the leader in 5G. This is constantly parroted propaganda. You can get the same "mature" Tech for 5G from Ericsson, Nokia ... yes Huawei might have more patents but you can only sell what the standard supports in terms of interoperability, and so the constant claim that the only 5G player is Huawei is plain wrong. [1] obviously we didn't use github to manage our source code.
- saiya-jin 6y ago
  Man, I get your point, they did/are doing tons of bad stuff. But so is every-fucking-body else, everywhere. Industrial espionage is a thing for more than a century, everybody tries to steal whatever they can, even US from Europe and vice versa. US secret services help their own private companies get an edge (for some other favors obviously), and so do other secret services. Friendships among nations is a very relative term. What you describe is just less attempts by chinese to cover up their tracks, since it doesn't matter that much now.
  - ericmay 6y ago

onemoresoop 6y ago

Making contributions doesn’t cancel stealing secrets. We all know most of the chinese technology was IP stolen and improved upon. Lets take for example Solowheel. Do you know the story behind it?

pinkfoot 6y ago
Have you ever stopped to ponder why Ford, GM, and Chrysler's four-stroke motors look ever so much like the one the Germans Nicolaus Otto, Gottlieb Daimler, and Wilhelm Maybach invented?
- onemoresoop 6y ago
  Because a lot of german technology was force-exported to the US and USSR after Germany lost the WWII. What are you implying here regarding China’s IP theft? Did they win a war Im not aware of?
  - pinkfoot 6y ago
    The Otto-cycle engine in Ford Model T engine from 1908 - 1927 was the spoils for the SECOND world war? No mate, it was a rip-off.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

worked for a main competitor of Huawei building UMTS/LTE base stations which at the time weren't even properly standardized (early systems design). Searched for my own name on github. Found source code I wrote for said vendor which was taken from somebody who worked for our Hangzhou office and had access to the same internal VCS[1] as me. The guy downloaded anything he had access to then moved to Huawei and from there to another Chinese state owned company. He uploaded everything to his own github account (under his real name). Not even an isolated case. They don't even have to plant a mole in your org in the West they can simply just coerce Chinese based employees to extract interesting IP from your sites in China. These guys just don't give a f*ck! (also Nokia, Ericsson management were never held accountable for enabling this by opening up sites in China without thinking this won't bite them. they all did it because of promise of cheap manufacture and they all got rolled. thousands of jobs lost in Europe and the US as a consequence so it's not just the Chinese who are to blame here) note: I was involved in early tech standardization on 3GPP for many years. yes Huawei contributes a lot. That doesn't mean they also don't steal your shit. They do it because there literally is no way to hold them accountable. You just got to make sure you don't travel to a country that may extradite you to the US. And by the way they are _not_ the leader in 5G. This is constantly parroted propaganda. You can get the same "mature" Tech for 5G from Ericsson, Nokia ... yes Huawei might have more patents but you can only sell what the standard supports in terms of interoperability, and so the constant claim that the only 5G player is Huawei is plain wrong. [1] obviously we didn't use github to manage our source code.

saiya-jin 6y ago
Man, I get your point, they did/are doing tons of bad stuff. But so is every-fucking-body else, everywhere. Industrial espionage is a thing for more than a century, everybody tries to steal whatever they can, even US from Europe and vice versa. US secret services help their own private companies get an edge (for some other favors obviously), and so do other secret services. Friendships among nations is a very relative term. What you describe is just less attempts by chinese to cover up their tracks, since it doesn't matter that much now.
- ericmay 6y ago