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It might feel different depending where you live. If one lives in Europe, I don't see why US or Chinese spying should be perceived differently.
by shmel 6y ago
It might feel different depending where you live. If one lives in Europe, I don't see why US or Chinese spying should be perceived differently.
- isatty 6y agoMaybe because there are human rights in the US?
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- logicchains 6y agoThe US judicial system doesn't protect the human rights of anyone who's not in America. Just ask the thousands of brown people killed as collateral damage from drone strikes without any chance of a trial in court.
- Mindwipe 6y agoAmerica's human rights laws don't apply to non-US citizens outside of the US's landmass. America has been exceptionally clear that US intelligence and immigration agencies consider non-Americans to be fair game for hacking, non-judicial imprisonment, torture et al. So if I'm not American I might acknowledge that America treats it's own citizens slightly better than China treats theirs from a human rights perspective, but as someone who's British neither nation has a stellar track record of actions that effect me and my country personally or give me any rights protection.
- zadokshi 6y agoNo, there are no ‘human rights’ in America. There are only ‘American rights’. Non US citizens are not protected by the Constitution. Do not have free speech, etc...
- logfromblammo 6y agoNoncitizens are protected by the Constitution. It's just that those who are blithely violating the rights of noncitizens simply don't care about obeying the laws themselves. A document without maintainers is dead.
- dragonwriter 6y agoThose who are blithely violating the rights of noncitizens are also doing so for citizens (most obviously, those suspected of being noncitizens due to skin color, use of foreign language, etc., but it doesn't stop there.)
- AsyncAwait 6y agoNot only doesn't apply to non-Americans, but sometimes it doesn't even apply to American citizens, (Chelsea Manning was tortured in a U.S. military prison).
- AsyncAwait 6y agoDownvoting doesn't change the facts [1], but keep your blinders on. 1 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-mannin...
- tzs 6y agoWhy does the US having an arguably better domestic human rights record than China make it preferable for a European to be spied on by the US government rather than the Chinese government? As an American I'd rather be spied on by China than my own government because China spying on me won't discover anything that they can use against me themselves. That's not so for my own government. I'd expect this is similar in most countries. Your own government is the biggest danger because your own government has much more power over you than foreign governments and much more interest in you. The biggest threat for an average civilian from a foreign government spying on them is that the foreign government might share that information with their their own government. Since many European governments have close intelligence sharing arrangements with the US and do not have such arrangements with China, I'd expect that for the average European it would be better to be spied on by China than the US.
- jtdev 6y agoBecause China is a communist, authoritarian nation known for human rights violation and use of technology to oppress people...?